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[SJ]INSTG8R

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Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« on: April 10, 2006, 03:47:19 pm »
So having now got my DFP(VERY good wheel highly recomend it) I have gotten a handle on the FFB settings for this game and have learned a few tricks from the "Wheel Guru's" on how to get the most out your MOMO or DFP(maybe even the Wingmans can benefit from these it just involves a simple number change.

okay FIRST your Control panel setting should look like this:



Now of course unless you have a DFP the rotation will be different but thats not important other than adjusting your Wheel Lock on the cars.
The reason for the overall effects strength being so high is that at 100% or better the effects are again more linear to the game(so make your FFB adjustments in the game rather than here)

The wheel lock on the cars is important to get linear steering travel so for example anything over 270 degrees of rotation  to get real linear steering you would need a full 34.5 of wheel lock and on a tighter track say 27.5. DO NOT use Speed Sensitive Steering its TERRIBLE and not for wheels more for Gamepads and Joysticks, using it will only dull the steerings rotation and make it unpredictable

the Sensitivity in the games Controller section should be set to 50% for ALL axiis(Steering, Throttle , Brakes)This will get the steering moving completely linear to your inputs, the Deadzones are your preference(I am running 0 on the wheel and 25% on the Throttle and Brake.

NOW here are the .plr file tweaks that make the BIG difference
This is the FFB section in your plr file I wll highlight the changes in bold and explain their effects at the end(well as best I can anyway)


FFB Device Type="4" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel, 2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad. If you have a Wingman set this to 1
FFB Effects Level="4" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects, 1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom.
FFB Gain="1.00000" // Strength of Force Feedback effects.  Range 0.0 to 1.0.
FFB Throttle FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Throttle effects on throttle axis, 1 = throttle effects on steering axis.
FFB Brake FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Brake effects on brake axis, 1 = brake effects on steering axis.
FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.50000" // Controls frequency of steering vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration.
FFB steer vibe zero magnitude="0.03500" // Magnitude of steering vibration at 0mph (reference point).
FFB steer vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB steer vibe zero magnitude).
FFB steer vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB steer force average weight="0.90000" // How much weight is given to new steering force calculations each frame (0.01 - 1.0). Lower values will smooth out the steering force, but will also add latency.
FFB steer force exponent="0.75000" // Steering force output "sensitivity".  Range 0.0 to infinity.  0.0 to 1.0 = higher sensitivity, greater than 1.0 = lower sensitivity.
FFB steer force input max="-11500.00000" // Recommended: 11500 (-11500 if controller pulls in the wrong direction).
FFB steer force output max="2.00000" // Maximum force output of steering force, recommendation 0.8 to 2.0 Will increase steerin weighting off center
FFB steer force grip weight="0.4000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.4 to 0.9.  How much weight is given to tire grip when calculating steering force.This is the real key to this, this setting affects the FFB when it understeers and makes the wheel go VERY light 0.4 will prevent this unless under extreme understeer
FFB steer force grip factor="0.6000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.2 to 0.6.  How much of a factor the front wheel grip is on the steering weight.
FFB steer update thresh="0.0001500000" // Amount of change required to update steer force/vibe (0.0 - 1.0). Lower values = steering force updated more frequently = lower frame rate.
FFB steer friction coefficient="0.00000" // Coefficient to use for steering friction.  Range: -1.0 to 1.0
FFB steer friction saturation="0.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering friction.  Range: 0 - 1.0
FFB steer damper coefficient="0.00000" // Coefficient to use for steering damper.  Range: -1.0 to 1.0  Setting these all to 0 will give the steering  MUCH better weighting
FFB steer damper saturation="0.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering damper.  Range: 0 - 1.0


Now this is all I have for now but basically this will give your FFB a more realistic feel and better weighting just remember to adjust your Wheel Lock in the cars to give yourself  linear travel and if you decide the FFB is to strong adjust in the game NOT in the control panel setting

If anyone has any questions or problems just ask me and I can easily explain better or walk you thru the changes

Shawn

« Last Edit: April 17, 2006, 10:48:22 pm by SJ_INSTG8R »

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2006, 07:05:00 pm »
These setting are working great. Each car has an idividual feel and steering weight feel free to ask about any other tweaks or settings.

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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2006, 04:12:34 am »
Shawn,

I've got it worked out.  I had to enable "revers effects" to get it right...

WOW!  It reacts just as an actual car.  For instance, if you rub a drivers side tire on the curb the damn wheel pulls to the left!  Very realistic, you can actually feel the car pushing through a turn.  Very good settings indeed.

Thank you for that,

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2006, 08:43:29 pm »
oooh please uncheck the combined axis checkbox!!

[SJ]INSTG8R

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2006, 10:36:31 pm »
Yes Skurj I did that today anyway when I first installed my DFP I was having issues with it and had read that you should Calibrate the brake first. I should probably update the picture ;)

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2006, 12:33:04 am »
In my defense I don't use a combined axis.  o0:  But it doesn't matter because I'm still not ver fast.  :-[

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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2006, 01:55:46 am »
I have updated the picture to reflect my current setup ;)

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2006, 03:22:09 am »
Shawn,
 Thanks for this, my FFB works great now!

Cheers!

Brian

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2006, 10:57:06 am »
Wow !!  ;D Just awesome. :o Thanks for the this info and all the effort that went into it.  :)

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2006, 11:30:58 am »
Thanks

dont know how i managed before

exelent work

many many thanks


[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2006, 03:47:14 pm »
i have logitech momo racing but this seemed to mess up my controller pretty good :(
theres some weird spot on the center and it kinda "jumps" over it really hard to explain...

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2006, 04:04:40 pm »
i have logitech momo racing but this seemed to mess up my controller pretty good :(
theres some weird spot on the center and it kinda "jumps" over it really hard to explain...


I think I know what you are talking about.  I used the setup he posted here, and I experienced a floppy wheel in the center position... Try turning up the "centering spring" little by little until that "flop" goes away.  I think mine is at 30%  ;D

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2006, 04:10:31 pm »
« Last Edit: July 03, 2006, 04:13:24 pm by PleaseDontShootMe »

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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2006, 04:13:37 pm »
centering spring?  ???
i put reverse effects on and it feels better, it just shakes like hell in the center now..


Yes, you are experiencing what I had exactly!  I had to put reverse effects as well.  No go to the properties and find centering spring.  Then turn it up little by little until that shaking goes away.  Turning it up didn't hurt the effects for me.  Just made the shaking stop.

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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2006, 04:16:07 pm »
great, its really good and now when the shaking gets away its sweet!
I actually managed 1:14:7 with tvr griffith in dijon short, these settings make
it so much easier to feel the car..
Im loving it :)

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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2006, 04:49:00 pm »
i cant seem to get the shaking to stop.. oh well maybe it will get
sorted till then im just gonna put dead zone 1% unless its too damn annoying :D

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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2006, 05:35:41 pm »
OK now got it fixed.. i was bloody stupid and did copy paste those settings..
after only changing the highlighted parts from my config it got really good, no trouble..

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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2006, 10:17:30 pm »
I have a Logitech Momo (Black) but I find that its faster to NOT have any FFB, and a VERY weak centering spring.

Otherwise I find that my inputs get slowed doen too much.  Not quite as inportant in GTL as the cars dont react quickly, however its extremely useful in any F1 sim, and many mods in rFactor I race.

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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2006, 07:19:34 pm »
im all for the racing experience, even cost of speed and those setting imrpoved the kicks i get from the game a whole lot :)
feels like a new game!
Every man has hes favorite ways, i think id be a lot slower if using only small centering spring cos ffb is one
way of "feeling" the car for me..  ::)

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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2006, 08:37:35 pm »
Lol.. i have a saitek R440 ( a what!?)  yes.. Saitek .. good lill wheel.. no troubles as of yet.. have it fer 2 years now, no calibration or pedal problems at all.
First time i tried in in Race driver 2 i had set the Force feedback a bit too high... my monitor started to sway.. and so did my ashtray.. thought it would be safer if it's lowered that i can still feel the track.. cuzz that's what Force Feedback is for now aint it? Got that one set at 47%

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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2006, 01:04:21 pm »
Im gonna fire up these settings next time i get the chance :D

Ive tried other settings around the forums but found them too weak. I want a bit "extra" feeling in the wheel to make up for the no G forces. Most of my feeling of the car comes through the wheel.

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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2006, 04:51:23 am »
I like these a lot ;D

Brilliant!

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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2006, 05:55:29 pm »
Got to agree with you there, Fryz.

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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2006, 03:48:07 pm »
Thanks guys I messed around quite a bit with these as I too was after more "feel" from the cars and I wanna feel the weight of the cars and these setting worked out great in that each car now has its own feel.

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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2006, 06:11:47 pm »
Will you be making those sortta profiles fer the G25 in a couple of months?!  ;D

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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2006, 12:26:41 am »
Will you be making those sortta profiles fer the G25 in a couple of months?!  ;D


INTG8R, is a hardware expert. (Fanatic!)  I'm sure he'll be diving right into that once it comes out! (Or sooner if he can get his hands on one)

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2006, 07:29:54 pm »
Will you be making those sortta profiles fer the G25 in a couple of months?!  ;D


Well seeing as the GTR2 Demo seems to have support for it I might, I just might....... >:D(tho that one will be a tough one to put past the Missus as I can already hear the "But you already have a wheel?!")

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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2006, 07:57:32 pm »
LMAO.. since i'm the "Cheesy" mofo..(holland..cheese?! ok.. and tulips.. call me a bulb then.. or a windmill... a screwit)   i'm not gonna "lend" you my one m8.. hehe

The missus might think yer lying if you'd say it was mine.. and yer "just testing it"  i dont wanna get a divorce started m8.. lol

But anyways.. thx in advance oh mister hardware  ;)

It will certainly be one helluva job.. unless the codes are written the same as with the earlier model... in other words.. i hope things will get back to you once you see the codes.. lol

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2006, 08:48:02 pm »


Well seeing as the GTR2 Demo seems to have support for it I might, I just might....... >:D(tho that one will be a tough one to put past the Missus as I can already hear the "But you already have a wheel?!")


I think my wheel is about to suffer a catastrophic failure that will result in the sad necessity to buy a replacement ::)

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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2006, 09:05:07 pm »

I think my wheel is about to suffer a catastrophic failure that will result in the sad necessity to buy a replacement ::)


Don't you just hate when that happens >:D

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« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2006, 02:07:59 am »
lol richie.


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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2006, 11:50:15 am »
Well the PLR in GTR2 is the same and my settings also work fine in it tho I think the default FF settings arent as bad as GTL

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« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2006, 12:06:31 pm »
then you mind making a saitek r440 version then m8.

i try your settings, hmm bad idea i think.:)although i still manged to get out of pit, before the wheel started shaking voliently.

Here the medical bill for me shaking arms:)

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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2006, 12:08:02 pm »
My wheel did that too and i have a Momo.. I had to fiddle quite some time to get them work perfect..
Try putting reverse effects on in the GTL controller settings..

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« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2006, 03:03:53 pm »
ehr..you mean to tell me they not only work for the Momo.. but also the r440.. keep me updated Banger.. if that reverse thingy is workin for yah
might be interesting



Alltho "In-game" i've got it set to "wheel"  cuzz the other options in wheels.. well.. just didn't match what i was used to so i use the basic wheel effects

ah well. gonna work on my level bombingskills later


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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2006, 03:29:09 pm »
well those might work with other devices as well... as said before..
it turned out shit with my wheel too at first but little tweaking and i got it to work..

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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2006, 05:08:22 pm »
Yes those settings are "baseline" settings as far as Im concerned if its wobbling on you turn the FFB steer force output max="2.00000" down some or the overall strength in the Control panel settings for your wheel. I know these settings in GTR2 are a bit too strong and give me the wobble. so I will either turn down my FF in my Control panel or lower the output max till I get a good balance

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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2006, 10:53:55 pm »
try the reverse effects , that made me swerve alot,so that not working,.brian ask us on the ventrillo yesterday to do that.

but i will try the 2.00000

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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2006, 01:05:04 pm »
What sensitivities do you guys run?

At the moment im trying out.

Steering, Gas and Brake at 51%.
DFP 900 degree
0% speed steering and 34.5 steering lock in garage.

this is a very liniar setup and i think it gives nice control.
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« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2006, 03:16:14 pm »
Steering gas and brake all 100% no deadzones
and only 180degrees steering

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« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2006, 03:12:54 pm »
and some tell me where the dfp settings are and what they are, jeeez a steering which requires and engineer degree........:(

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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2006, 01:54:47 am »
I did these changes to my setting last night... :o WOW  :o

All of a sudden I can drive the "beast cars" without the feeling that at any point they could launch off the road and into the nearest (or furthest) fence.

Also tweaked some of my graphics settings in the PLR file, got some good gains.

It feels like a new game again and I managed to improve my times! I'm excited!

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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2006, 02:04:44 am »


 Those settings are great across the board.....I've been using them since i first ran across them.
 my .PLR file seems to want to "run home to mama, and revert to previous values. I got so tired of re-entering all the values I use to suit me, that i just made a copy and plug it in whe i notice things have changed again :)

 I've played around alot with PLR file (after saving good copy first)..most of it, while fun ,was just eyecandy...like the entire interior of cars and looking in the rearview and seeing the engine an all the workings and that tiny window out the back in GT40's and the like..nice but i have a hard enough time driving as is lol     The only good things i managed was custom settings for view following wheel in turns...and getting the side-view look to look back over the rear tires


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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2007, 09:52:07 am »
I just wanted to let folks know I plan on giving this thread a complete overhaul within the next week or so. I have just gotten a G25 and I plan on updating all the FFB info on as many wheels and games as I can SO this also falls on all of you!

I would like you folks tweaks/setups/info you all have on your wheels and setups or any decent tweaks you have may have made based on my original settings or otherwise. PM me whatever info you like, PLR's etc I will gladly accept and try out and add any useful info you all can contribute, The more Info we have the more thorough I can be(e.g Light/Med/Heavy FFB setups for each game)
Hope to hear from as many of you(this doesnt JUST mean Logitech users, the more types of wheels and info I get the better the thread can be and hopefully become the FFB reference point for any and all users.

Thanks
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« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2007, 12:36:26 am »
I'm guess that these settings ended up working well for the G25 as well?

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« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2007, 01:09:39 am »
I'm guess that these settings ended up working well for the G25 as well?


I believe so.  He did alter them after getting the G25

I'll see if I can get Shawn to come here and give us an update on how it works with the G25 :)

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« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2007, 01:17:35 am »
sure do, Brett... i use them in rFactor, GTL, GTR2 and Race 07 with my G25... they are ace.  :hats off:

and welcome by the way... i understand you are the friend of some bawdy Texan who goes by the name of Tornado... i won't hold that against you!  rotfl

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« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2007, 01:20:36 am »
Just noticed Brett is an IL-2 Pilot! 

It's high time we do some organized flying. :)

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« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2007, 02:49:47 am »
. . .
and welcome by the way... i understand you are the friend of some bawdy Texan who goes by the name of Tornado... i won't hold that against you!  rotfl


I am indeed. . .and thanks for letting that slide!


Just noticed Brett is an IL-2 Pilot! 

It's high time we do some organized flying. :)


Yep. . .I probably should go fly some IL-2. . .the last two days trying to set up rFactor has had me feeling awful noobish, and IL-2 is old hat!!  :?:
« Last Edit: October 15, 2007, 08:12:51 pm by BrettVisionSLR »

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« Reply #49 on: October 15, 2007, 04:23:20 pm »
Dont worry too much Brett.. it should be fine.. just dont believe every "realfeelplugin" as some mods simply dont support them.. but there are guys out there tweeking the snot outtof em and will post them in Rfactorcentral.. ill show you were if you want. (but dont believe everything.. )
These settings work wonders in above named games, even for the g25.. which was kinda amazing to find out.. hehe.. I worked em first on a Saitek R440.. worked great as well!.. lol



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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #50 on: October 15, 2007, 06:12:40 pm »
Will this adjustment in the top post work out on my Logitech Momo Racing USB wheel too??

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« Reply #51 on: October 15, 2007, 06:48:32 pm »
If you're talking Shawn's tweaks, then absolutely, Ivan, they will work fine

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« Reply #52 on: October 15, 2007, 08:09:10 pm »
Can you hold that against him ?

Davey boy  :punk: lol .

He flies Extra 300s in the real world as well.  :jawdrop:

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« Reply #53 on: October 15, 2007, 08:17:13 pm »
so i understand... madness!

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« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2007, 09:27:39 pm »
T, you always were a troublemaker. . .


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« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2007, 06:27:27 am »
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T, you always were a troublemaker. . .


Agreed! rotfl lol

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2007, 05:46:42 pm »
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T, you always were a troublemaker. . .


Agreed! rotfl lol


Double agreed!   

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Ill have a look at that guncollection of yers brett.. whilst i stay firmly on the ground if you dont mind...

[SJ]Eco

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2007, 06:37:33 pm »
Gun collection? Just because I'm "TX" EcoDragon doesn't mean I've got a gun collection!!

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #58 on: October 19, 2007, 07:04:32 pm »
peashooter?

Rubber Bands?

Anything else but taking off in an aerobatics aircraft... yep.. i'm a  :L:  cant get talked into it anyways...
That would destroy the world as i know it and teasing gravity is not my thing.. sry


that's why i sayd.. "ill keep my feet firmly on the ground"  ..  ill watch you fly..  hehe.. much more relaxing then having to clean up the stuff that missed the bag


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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2007, 08:51:14 am »
I've got a fair amount of slop around center in my G25, I'm trying these potential solutions now, I figured I'll play guinea pig with these settings, and report back if they work, if not I'll delete the links.

One thread suggests a fix using dxtweak, the other is .ini settings.

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=277669&highlight=slop


http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=271369&highlight=slop&page=12


Of the ini tweaks I've done so far, the best result was changing to the following enty in the .ini:

FFB steer force neutral range="0.01200" // Max distance from center "neutral force" location where forces are reduced to help avoid oscillation (0.0 to disable)

The problem becomes the odd way FFB tries to resist you as you move the wheel from top dead center. . .if you remove all the deadzone, the oscillation wants to start up, and ping-pong the wheel back and forth when you straighten it. It does seem that increasing the damper value reduces this some, but since most of you suggest not doing that I went back to a zero value, and just messed with deadzone values until the oscillations seemed to be less of an issue. . . and in my case I ended up at .01200.


I'll update as I find other things that seem to work.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2007, 10:30:28 pm by BrettVisionSLR »

[SJ]Stein

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2007, 10:01:46 pm »
Grinn.. forgot to report back on that btw...

But i pm'd you about it, just forgot to post.

For Rfactor i'm using these settings, attached to shawn's post.
Good enough for me, but hey.. let the tweaking commence, by all means, Shawn didn't name this the "perfect" for nothing!

http://www.simjunkies.org/Forum/index.php?topic=3278.msg38743#msg38743

and yes.. it's a controller.ini tweak.


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[SJ]Eco

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2007, 10:35:01 pm »
Yes, Stein, I tried those before. . .at the time I didn't notice much difference from what I had been running, but this was after compiling a few different post suggestions into my FFB settings. They seemed to work well enough so I incorporated some of the changes into my settings. Despite that, there was still more deadzoen than I would like, and drafting in particular was a challenge as there was minimal feedback around center. I'm just trying to see what minimal deadzone I can get away with is. I've heard of others with the same issue, so I thought I'd post.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2007, 10:40:06 pm by BrettVisionSLR »

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Re: Working out the "Perfect" FFB settings for Logitechs
« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2007, 10:47:54 am »
Like i sayd m8, by all means, continue testing!



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just flourish us with the results m8... hehe