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elessar777

The G25 Thread
« on: February 01, 2007, 01:55:39 pm »
Had a look but couldn't find a specific thread for the G25 , so I thought  "why not start one?" :)

I only got mine yesterday and would be interested hearing how you all have yours set up (eg , Shifting, clutch, left/right foot braking, FFB/plr settings etc) and exchanging ideas and tweaks. It's quite a versatile wheel IMHO so it will be interesting to see how we all differ.

OK then-  first race last night - using stick shift in sequential mode, manual clutch, left foot braking. Loving the feel of it so far. Have always tweaked plr FFB settings a bit and didn't take too long to get a nice vibe happening  :)

Only problem for me is this:- I love the stick shift and would love to use it in gated mode but I have problems with my left wrist because I have tendinitis (too many 12hour guitar practice days lol). After an hour or so racing, the strain on my left wrist (oh, I have the shifter on the right) from holding the wheel steady while my right hand shifts, was giving me so much pain I had to switch back to the paddles  :(

Maybe I should put the shifter on the left....hmmmm

The G25 is so rigid (in a good way) compared to the MOMO racing I had, which, in retrospective comparison felt quite "spongy" and had a bit more "give". I just looooove how responsive and tight this wheel feels.


I've found it's given GTL a new lease of life, not that I was anywhere near getting bored with it, far from it, but this wheel just lifts it to a new level of realism and deepens the immersion for me. I've also found I can be more consistent with it.

Is anyone using manual clutch and right foot braking and heel/toeing? I'd love to be able to do that but I'm so used to left-foot braking I don't know, it'd be hard to change.

I would love to hear about your experiences and views along with advice on the subject.

Cheers  :peace out:

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 05:40:46 pm »
« Last Edit: February 01, 2007, 06:08:37 pm by SJ_dirtyvfr »

elessar777

Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2007, 08:16:48 pm »
Wups, didn't see that. thx

elessar777

Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 08:38:04 pm »
see the problem is, there is a special steering / pedal section in the hardware section.

not sure if i'll ever use the shifter, but never say never, i already find the method used to control a car real or otherwise alien, compared to the control system on a motorbike, on a bike you can throttle/use the front brake/back brake/clutch/change gear and corner all at the same time. 

http://www.simjunkies.org/Forum/index.php?board=80.0


 

lol ok, so why are you driving a CAR sim? lol

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2007, 11:50:04 am »
« Last Edit: February 02, 2007, 12:04:22 pm by SJ_dirtyvfr »

elessar777

Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2007, 08:19:00 pm »
PDSM why did you move this thread again??? Animal already moved it to Logitech???

elessar777

Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2007, 08:20:38 pm »
Do you guys have every button working in GTL? Everything works for me except three buttons-the ones at the top, only the very top one works the other 3 don't.?

They all work fine in rFactor

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2007, 10:24:16 pm »
PDSM why did you move this thread again??? Animal already moved it to Logitech???


I moved it to hardware discussion, and Marcus created a G25 section and moved it there.

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2007, 01:02:27 am »
i love the grinding noise the cars in GTL make when you shift to a non-existing gear?


my G25 is boxed again... gotta wait for the new system to hopefully make it work properly.. and if not.. carry it back to the store a second time.


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have you considered setting the level of Force Feedback lower to make it less straining on your wrist?

or ofcourse.. gotten rid of the guitar yet?   grinn  :biggrin:  j/k

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2007, 01:09:13 am »
I shall be contributing to this thread very shortly
My G25 is in the mail so I will work my PLR magic as soon as I can and will sort as much out as I can
I have every intent on doing a full update on my old "Perfect FFB" thread with new settings soon.

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2007, 01:40:28 am »
Wooohoooo..  :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:

yes please!


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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2007, 03:12:58 pm »
Do you guys have every button working in GTL? Everything works for me except three buttons-the ones at the top, only the very top one works the other 3 don't.?

They all work fine in rFactor


I had the same problem but got around it by setting up those three buttons related to defined keyboard keys. First define the function you want to a keyboard key and then link the button to that key. Works great for me.

elessar777

Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2007, 01:34:41 am »
Do you guys have every button working in GTL? Everything works for me except three buttons-the ones at the top, only the very top one works the other 3 don't.?

They all work fine in rFactor


I had the same problem but got around it by setting up those three buttons related to defined keyboard keys. First define the function you want to a keyboard key and then link the button to that key. Works great for me.


Thanks for the tip I will try that

elessar777

Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2007, 01:36:29 am »
i love the grinding noise the cars in GTL make when you shift to a non-existing gear?


my G25 is boxed again... gotta wait for the new system to hopefully make it work properly.. and if not.. carry it back to the store a second time.


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have you considered setting the level of Force Feedback lower to make it less straining on your wrist?

or ofcourse.. gotten rid of the guitar yet?   grinn  :biggrin:  j/k

 lol
Yes, but lower FF means less feeling. I've decided to go back to the paddles until my wrist heals as it's not always this bad but when I get a strain it takes a while to get back to normal(ish)

elessar777

Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2007, 01:37:03 am »
PDSM why did you move this thread again??? Animal already moved it to Logitech???


I moved it to hardware discussion, and Marcus created a G25 section and moved it there.


Ok, Just got a little confusing it getting moved twice lol

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2007, 07:08:37 am »

Yes, but lower FF means less feeling.


not actually, i used to have max FFB but i noticed that lowering the strenght to a point where you get good response, but it wont affect the steering accuracy is best option.

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2007, 07:51:04 am »
this should be interesting for you G25 owners:
"Simple improvements to G25 thread @ RSC"

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2007, 08:04:09 am »
Now that looks like an appealing mod(Says the guy who's G25 is still in the Post)Of course working as a CNC Machinist I think if I wanna do that I would of course make something out of metal(probably aluminum) But I am aware of this issue and this is a great solution.

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2007, 08:46:56 am »
Hey INSTG8R, as and when you have machined some pedal adjusters, is there any chance you would consider making them available to others for a small fee (or site donation), 'cos the wood probably works well, but looks, well, a bit sh1te actually lol.

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2007, 10:30:08 am »
Sounds like a businessplan.. i'm interested too Shawn!


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bring out the IKEA-like nuts and bolts to do it..  :excited:

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2007, 11:01:59 am »
i'm also thinking of a pedal mod, but using the pedal plate things that boy and girl racers attach their car pedals, you can get them in halfords.

but machined foot plated with loads of holes so you can adjust each plate left and right would be magic.

 :peace out:

if you do an ebay search "pedal plates" there are loads of sets of alloy plates.   

 

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2007, 09:14:11 pm »
Hey INSTG8R, as and when you have machined some pedal adjusters, is there any chance you would consider making them available to others for a small fee (or site donation), 'cos the wood probably works well, but looks, well, a bit sh1te actually lol.


My sediments exactly!
When I get mine,I half expect them tomorrow being Mon. but they will be here Tues at latest, I willl see whats going on and see if a few well placed holes and some spacers can accomplish the same job and look 10x better. The worst case is making some small Alu blocks with holes to match at slightly different thicknesses to achieve some offset to the pedals(which I assume was why the user used wood), but your all smart chaps and can easily figure that bit out with some washers or nuts and longer screws.
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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2007, 09:26:33 pm »
i'm also thinking of a pedal mod, but using the pedal plate things that boy and girl racers attach their car pedals, you can get them in halfords.

but machined foot plated with loads of holes so you can adjust each plate left and right would be magic.

 :peace out:

if you do an ebay search "pedal plates" there are loads of sets of alloy plates.   

 


well nothing stopping anyone from drilling some nice tidy holes in the stock pedal either(just need a nice countersink bit to finish them with) then you can pack the pedals up from the back with bolts or washers or whatever you see fit to get an acheived offset.

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2007, 10:01:41 pm »
yeah, but you do it better, and when i've got a drill in my hand, anything can happen... last picture i hung... wall had to be replastered... i'm a thinker, not a do'er lol lol

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2007, 09:31:57 am »
yeah, but you do it better, and when i've got a drill in my hand, anything can happen... last picture i hung... wall had to be replastered... i'm a thinker, not a do'er lol lol


LMAO Rgr

I uh went into work Sat. afternoon and made myself a coupling so I could replace a piece of copper tubing in my WC unit with regular soft tubing :innocent:
I even took pics and suddenly found a new toy in my Paint.Net so I made a montage of my Mod :L:




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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2007, 04:07:47 pm »
Well....
 I am sitting here with it all set up but I can help but just sit here and stare at it.I mean I KNOW Im gonna plug it in but I am quite content just sitting here typing over it with my nose on the leather wheel......

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2007, 04:12:20 pm »
wheel's a little thin in my hands, which causes discomfort in long races... gonna find me an alcantara wheel cover... trouble is, wheel too small for standard motor factor fayre, so gonna get one from ripspeed or similar... lovely wheel though, shifter ok, pedals pretty good too.

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2007, 05:00:18 pm »
Sh1te I gotta couple of questions:(or any other G25 users plz do tell ASAP)
 I wanted to give the old Iron in GTL a go with the gated shifter before I ripped into my current racing fave GTR2. I CANT FIND THE REVERSE GATE!!??

Oh and Im interested in everyones revision. Its on the sticker that held the bag with the software/manuals in it(which I might add also contained Rfactor so looks like Im getting sucked into that afterall....)
If not Im sure I can find another place to find your revision. For reference mine was a Rev. 101 so I wonder what they changed.
BUT FOR THE LOVE OF PUPPIES PLZ SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO GET INTO REVERSE!

Thanks

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2007, 05:11:43 pm »
wheel's a little thin in my hands, which causes discomfort in long races... gonna find me an alcantara wheel cover... trouble is, wheel too small for standard motor factor fayre, so gonna get one from ripspeed or similar... lovely wheel though, shifter ok, pedals pretty good too.


Yeah it is a little different, for me a big change from the momo but It feels more like a real wheel don't you think?

Whaaaa you're gonna cover up that nice leather? Don't put one of those furry things on it LOL

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2007, 05:12:53 pm »
Sh1te I gotta couple of questions:(or any other G25 users plz do tell ASAP)
 I wanted to give the old Iron in GTL a go with the gated shifter before I ripped into my current racing fave GTR2. I CANT FIND THE REVERSE GATE!!??

Oh and Im interested in everyones revision. Its on the sticker that held the bag with the software/manuals in it(which I might add also contained Rfactor so looks like Im getting sucked into that afterall....)
If not Im sure I can find another place to find your revision. For reference mine was a Rev. 101 so I wonder what they changed.
BUT FOR THE LOVE OF PUPPIES PLZ SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO GET INTO REVERSE!

Thanks


Yeah mine had rFactor too but I already own it!! Did it actually come with an activation code?

Reverse:- push down on stick then pull right and back- easy??

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2007, 05:13:37 pm »

My sediments exactly!



Lol what kind of sediments?? lol

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2007, 05:19:53 pm »
Gated reverse is effectively 6th while pushing down on the stick... tbh, i did use the gated shifter in gtl, but the detente isn't sufficiently precise, leading to many missed/wrong shifts... before getting the g25, was leading div 2, after getting g25, didn't score another point for 5 races... finally got to grips with the gated crap, and was relatively successful, but like yourself, playing plenty of gtr2 since getting it for crimbo, and so now just leave shifter in sequential mode, otherwise i'm blowing shifts all over the place... consistency is best! 

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2007, 05:34:45 pm »
Gotcha! of course I knew there would be a trick to it. Okay NOW Im off to race a bit offline and get a setup. But I expect you will find my on the SJ GTR2 server peeling off laps trying to get a good FFB profile. Feel free to join me I should probably end up there within the hour Im sure.
Im just updating my Rfactor(yes I unlocked it) I bought this this I bloody well better start using it!

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2007, 05:47:54 pm »
got a Euro GTL slide fest tonight... maybe another night... looking forward to the results of your plr tweaking, Shawn... although your first edition seem to work fine for me... be seeing ya  ;)

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2007, 06:00:53 pm »
NP, Welll since that great little GTR2 GUI hack came out I have somewhat toughened them up some now that I can see what Im affecting and adjust it without leaving the game.I must admit tho its VERY smooth and corners very precisely but why cant Logi get the on centre feel right. I suppose I may have to add some Centering Spring to the equation and see how it makes out.

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2007, 09:44:24 am »
Okay so now that I have spent some time with this I have some conclusions.
First off I have no changes to offer to my original GTL FFB settings(first thing I fired in after getting this set up to "row" a bit) it felt great, I could still feel the differences in the cars handling/weight so I cant say I can offer any real changes there.
GTR2 is a bit weaker/lighter with the same GTL settings but then that may be intentional. None the less the GUI mod for the FFB has allowed me to improve the feeling of GTR2 some and I will update my FFB thread accordingly.

Well I tryed avoiding rFactor as much as I could but Im afraid I have been sucked in head first(already into 1/2 a dozen mods already)This one I will have to work on some more. I personally have found most cars handle fairly well with just the full FFB settings, but I haven't applied any PLR magic yet as I have just finished getting all my G25 Profiles set first(Paddles, Seq, Gated) now that I have that all sorted I will start looking at FFB and hopefully by next weekend I will have a full FFB Thread update with new Pics and Info.

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2007, 05:37:36 pm »
That would be great m8.. but dont rush it.. a masters' work is terrible then


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ah hell.. just make a new thread called "updated perfect ffb settings"

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2007, 11:45:40 pm »
http://www.hill-engineering.co.uk/ferrari-slickshiftgate.htm

here is a link to a ferrari gate INSTG8R

 


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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2007, 07:08:52 am »
Thanks mate!, The research continues. Try to keep it under your hat mate until I can get a solid blueprint at least.
But that Ferrari Gate is definitely an innovation I will include. :toker:

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2007, 04:09:14 am »
I just bought the G25. I like the controller so far, it took a bit to get used to the shifter though, after a little bit it is as comfortable as the real thing. The only thing I noticed is when heel/toe action is applied the throttle seems to lag as the brake is depressed. I got around this by learning to drive over again...basically as I am getting to the corner I am in the highest gear possible then apply brake with my right foot, down shift with my left working the clutch, no throttle used...just before I need to turn in I am off the brake, apply the throttle and grab the preferred gear for the corner and throttle though it. Working pretty good...would love to heel/toe if there is a mod of some kind to fix the gas and brake conflict...braking point would definitely increase...

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2007, 05:48:26 am »
Make sure "use same axis" or something like that isn't ticked...

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2007, 05:53:13 am »
Make sure "use same axis" or something like that isn't ticked...


That would be "combined pedals" :)

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2007, 08:52:06 pm »
my g25 will be here shortly, so any good tips would be appreiciated. :punt:

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2007, 08:59:36 pm »
ehr... start with unpacking it... then see what happens


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Just drive it and see what you think m8, slowly get used to it.. and for god sakes use the clutch and the shifter and autoclutch off, try and learn to hear when the shiftingmoment comes

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2007, 09:15:53 pm »
useless tip stieny, Smited lol

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Re: The G25 Thread
« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2007, 10:04:04 pm »
lol.. i needed that.... Karma'd!


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