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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Got me a DFP
« on: February 01, 2007, 02:34:27 am »
Well actually ill have it next week, found a bargain and decided to go for it...
I currently have momo force but i wanted bigger degree of turning..
only thing that im conserned (and made me laugh) is that bloody hell!
it dont have proper paddles! those are more like buttons to me...
it will be a pain to get used to something that small after using momos proper paddles :(


Marcus

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 03:04:56 am »
Just do as I do Jarkko!  USE THE SHIFTER!   lol

You're going to love the wheel bud.  I promise ya.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2007, 09:57:02 am »
well i gotta fix the paddle thing somehow... anyone know some good shit to glue plastic to plastic so that it sticks?

EDIT:Oh yeah the wheel is also smaller than momo... which is just shit... momo is almost too
small... (once i get it ill start a proper rant and soon start sounding like Tim  :argh:)
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[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 10:01:40 am »
well i gotta fix the paddle thing somehow... anyone know some good shit to glue plastic to plastic so that it sticks?


Contact adhesive, G-clamp+24 hours
Then forget bout the paddle/buttons and use the shifter as the noble Marcus states!

I use my right paddle thing as a 'shift key' for the second set of button assignments on the wheel, and the left one is mapped to the 'enter key' .. combine that with having the hat switch dual mapped to the arrow keys and yer pitboard woes are over :)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2007, 10:04:03 am »
I cant use the ugly looking shifter cos it will make me slower! (i think)
thanks for the tip.. i wonder what im gonna use to make the paddles... gotta
figure out something.

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2007, 10:04:44 am »
They are a bit crappy, those 'paddles' aren't they?

I think you'll get used to them soon enough, though.  :)  Apart from the crappy paddles, The DFP is pretty good wheel.

 :)

Have you downloaded the Wingman drivers and profiler?

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2007, 10:07:48 am »
yep i have, I have Logitech Momo Racing which is a very good wheel and has proper paddles too hehe, its just that it has only 240 degrees rotation.. the pedals should be same though, even the connector is same, so ill have spare pedals :)
(id offer my old wheel if it didnt cost billion to ship it)

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2007, 10:13:22 am »
I know I'm a bit crap at the old driving lark, but I've found that I don't accidently double shift anywhere near as much as I used to when I use the shifter... and it's kind of helps with the 'pretending' bit :0)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2007, 10:16:08 am »
you wouldnt double shift with the paddles if they werent that shit hehe..
its a big thing for me... since my driving style means my hands are "alive" quite a lot i need
something big in the back of the wheel to crunch the gears no matter what position the wheel or my hands are...  :biggrin:

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2007, 10:21:47 am »
The G25 has awesome paddles and I was always used to using paddles before I got the G25, now I use the shifter, mainly in sequential mode when racing online, I wont go back to paddles now, I love the sense of immersion that taking your hand off the wheel gives when shifting.. its not so hard to get used to, heck I dont even use a stick shift in my company car since its auto and I still prefer the shifter at the pc.

Give it a try Jarkko, its great really, and wont take you long to get used to it and be just as fast (god forbid)

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2007, 10:25:42 am »
The sequential shifter on the DFP is horrible, though. 

But it is quite a handy place to hang your headphones!

 :)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2007, 10:26:16 am »
i do that with my momo on slower cars... but its not fun when its only sequential :)

lol thanks Byron, thats a good tip.  :yep:

[SJ]2shedz

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2007, 10:54:49 am »
Ive got a Momo black, but its been screwing me about so might look into a used DFP, Byron worried me a bit saying the "shifter is shit" though (thanks mate) i only use stick shift and have my left paddle as the clutch, the right is for my headlights
let me know what you think when youv'e tried it for awhile Jarkko
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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2007, 10:59:40 am »
well DFP at least has Steel bearings to support the wheel and momo dont have...
im sure its a good one, especially cos you can get one quite cheap, ill return to this thread when the wheel arrives.

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2007, 11:01:06 am »
Hey, Ted...  There's so many buttons on a DFP that you won't need to tie up your paddles.

I have my clutch on the O key (which sits right under my right thumb) and my lights on the 'Up' part of the Hat switch which sits right under my left thumb.

 :)

(The shifter works fine...  it's just flimsy and rubbish)

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2007, 11:06:52 am »
(The shifter works fine...  it's just flimsy and rubbish)

You wouldn't want to get poked in the eye by one :0)

[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 11:12:57 am »
« Last Edit: February 01, 2007, 11:15:28 am by SJ_dirtyvfr »

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2007, 11:18:25 am »
Quote from: Pierre
You wouldn't want to get poked in the eye by one

 

Hehe...  That's true!  Although, I've had a good think...  and I can't recall too many occasions when I've said:

"Would you look at that...  What I wouldn't give to be poked in the eye by that thing!"

 lol

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2007, 11:43:46 am »
Grrr... you out-banter me at every turn Lord B!
Bah! I will return to Casa Mot Juste and come back even strongerer!

*Pierre sweeps his cloak around him, grabs the back of his pants to straighten out the undies locked into the bum cleavage and dissapears into the night*

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2007, 12:08:23 pm »
hmm the guy puts the wheel in mail tomorrow, means im gonna get it on monday, maybe tuesday.. few days to get used to it before SJC race  :jawdrop:

[SJ]Stein

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2007, 05:07:37 pm »
hmm.. metal.. would be found .. ehr... on the CASING of yer PC... and you get two little airholes to match!  or three if you cut wrong.. or four...


F*ck that.. use the shifter!  or make that joystickthingy work!  take it apart and put the triggers in a metal box  i think gogs put that one up once, then yer finish-(pun)-ed


Woof ~ Woof

i dont believe you can go any slower then you already are Jarkko.. or was that fast.. i keep forgetting

some drifting tonight?!

[SJ]ski9600

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2007, 05:09:58 pm »
I've been using the paddles to shift, and I think they work fine.  

I must say though, that I'm not using the 900degree feature.  Since you're planning on using that, and having "free hands" you might be right about the paddles.  Report back when it arrives!

I might try the sequential shift though, and see if I can get used to it as easy as Sandra did....  

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2007, 06:02:31 pm »
I always used the paddles and they are ok... meaning that they do work but are far from ideal. The joystick...ehr shifter is about as crappy as the the paddles (I used the shifter for flashing my lights and it worked fine for that  :biggrin:)

G25 is obviously much better... very good paddles, but I don't use them much, and a good shifter... well ok, the shifter could be better because it doesn't feel like the real thing but it makes more sense to use them in GT Legends than the paddles  :tut:


[SJ]Lav69

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2007, 06:44:55 pm »
Grrr... you out-banter me at every turn Lord B!
Bah! I will return to Casa Mot Juste and come back even strongerer!

*Pierre sweeps his cloak around him, grabs the back of his pants to straighten out the undies locked into the bum cleavage and dissapears into the night*


lol...to funny.

I have a DFP Jarkko and while I'm nowhere near the calibur racer as you, I think in time you will get used to the paddles just fine. I have found that anything past 300 degrees on the wheel is to much. Of course I'm a crap racer so that might have something to do with it.  :dunno:
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Marcus

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2007, 12:46:03 am »
I have found that anything past 300 degrees on the wheel is to much.


I agree with you.  Granted, I'm a shit driver.  But I cannot handle any more turn than that.  My reflexes are too slow, and I end up at Ted's more often than not. :bar&grill:

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2007, 12:52:00 am »
i use 520 here with my dfp, i do lose it now and then tho, i find the paddles great until i hit the gravel as i cant work out were gear down is with crossed arms. im gonna experiment with lesser lock and see what happens.

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2007, 01:14:28 am »
I 'experimented' this afternoon and, after the dust settled, went back to 520, all gets a bit wierd for me after that :)

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2007, 10:54:23 am »
How do you all get your profilers to be so accurate.  I found about 360o is the sweet spot for me, but the closest I can get the slider to is 362o!

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2007, 11:03:41 am »
lol B such a perfectionist. the packet is in mail ill get it on Tuesday most likely...
gotta make the shifter at its first "ready" state before Tuesday then.

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2007, 11:09:34 am »
Hehe

It may be only two degrees to you, but to me it's very important!!!

< Byron screams at the monitor whist waving his fists:  'Go onto 360 you badly calibrated bastard!' >

Good luck with the PDSM SS Pro

 :)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2007, 11:12:02 am »
thanks... im gonna need it... well especially with the h-pattern... good thing is...
once you make a one version... you can always improve it.

[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2007, 09:55:31 pm »
was bored !!!

wooden paddles stained and polished 

if the spatula is one bit of wood, if you let it get very very wet, you will be able to bend it, ie put a curve in at and it should stay that shape when it drys out, you might need to boil it in a pot on water or if you have an automatic dish washer, open it at the steam drying cycle and then bend the spatula, get a bit of wood and bang a few nails into the wood so the spatula holds it shape.   
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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2007, 09:59:28 pm »
heeh thanks :)
that should work, if i can get it to pieces without messing it up  :innocent:

[SJ]Stein

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2007, 01:18:15 am »
If i get that G25 working again i'm gonna go for the full 900 and use it like it hasn't been used before!  (pun)

then ill probbly settle for the 357 degrees byron mentioned, hehe.. Cuzz pete.. you can never hurl the wheel fast enough around to take the car outtof a spin m8.. you'd go insane having to do that combined with a dodgy setup... but on the other hand.. sanity is not in your wonderfull vocabulary, so that might be ok anyways then...


Woof ~ Woof


[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2007, 08:28:34 am »
updated previous post

 :peace out:
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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2007, 08:34:52 am »
i like the paddles to be shaped bit more like in G25 and my black momo :)
well i have the shifter now, so ill be using that most of the times.. except for GTR2 though.
interesting that theres nothing about modding DFP on the internet..  o:

[SJ]Satain

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2007, 10:29:48 am »
An entrepreneur and a pioneer!  lol

[SJ]Stein

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2007, 11:10:58 am »
and he can cook too!


Woof ~ Woof


[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2007, 11:23:12 am »
mmmmmmmm Food!  :yep:

[SJ]Rivet

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2007, 12:33:47 pm »
(once i get it ill start a proper rant and soon start sounding like Tim  :argh:)



 o: What on earth do you mean?  lol

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2007, 01:14:10 pm »
Yeah, Riv is renowned for his stoicism and his tendency to suffer in dignified silence!

 :biggrin:

Quote from: PDSM
interesting that there's nothing about modding DFP on the internet


I did find some stuff about dismantling it and fixing the tiny bit of play (looseness) that you get dead centre on a DFP.

Can't give you a link though, it was a while ago!

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2007, 04:44:50 pm »
damn Byron, that would be exactly what i need.. some info on taking the wheel apart :)

[SJ]Stein

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2007, 06:38:09 pm »
*whisteles*


[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2007, 06:48:50 pm »
lol

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2007, 09:27:23 pm »

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2007, 02:41:27 pm »
doesnt yet work on 900 (dont know the blimey button combination)
but some quick thoughts..
Mounting to table is shit.
Feels very exact..
Force strenght is unbelievable compared to black momo...
well..
back to research.. :)

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2007, 02:56:36 pm »
Are both lights on the wheel on? 

Normally it won't work on 900 deg till  you fire up the wingman drivers.  Until you do, only one light will be on on the wheel.


[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2007, 03:04:44 pm »
nah, it needed a button combination... gotta hit
select + R3 + left...
works fine now... damn it takes a while to get used to...
its sooo different.

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2007, 03:07:10 pm »
Ah...  Same button combo as in GT4.  Didn't know that worked on PC too.

 :)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2007, 03:16:13 pm »
gotta say that it feels weird... ppl please would you post what degree of turn you use and preferred steering lock... im pracicing with 360 and steering lock 32... but omg i want a bigger
wheel to it! its so small!

raised steering lock to max... ill go with that for a while... gotta see how ill get used to it...
now i have a monster headache and i need to crawl to bed to get rid of the buggeration. :(
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[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2007, 03:53:28 pm »
360 deg rotation and 12-20 lock here.
(I also have a headache...  must be something in the air!  :()

[SJ]Sh1te R1der

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2007, 04:08:52 pm »
not the same wheel, but run about 180 rotation for single seaters (lots of lock), 200-220 for gtr2 (lock @16-18 degrees) and just started fiddling with 270 on GTL, with Lock @ 28-32 degrees.

Lower rotation makes spin recovery difficult, but i like knife edge car handling, so often put up with it, hence the large number of spins in GTL... but will try 270 this evening, and see how it goes

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2007, 04:12:29 pm »
520 with between 18 and 24 degrees rotation, also using instig8r .plr ffb files

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2007, 04:23:30 pm »
some pretty nut settings there! do you have a truck knob mounted in the wheel!?

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2007, 04:28:24 pm »
heh now yer got me looking at me shifter knob and thinking could it be sawed off and fitted to my wheel?  :biggrin:
give it a go you may be surprised , tried going down to 360 other day and it don't feel right to me somehow.

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2007, 04:34:15 pm »
hmmm... im starting to get used to 360 with max steering lock...
it is a nice wheel, feels more accurate than black momo... im happy i bought it,
especially cos its like a new wheel, no signs of use and the pedals are way stiffer
than in my momo.

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2007, 05:17:53 pm »
Me = exactly the same as Cap'n DrokK

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« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2007, 05:26:14 pm »
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Me = exactly the same as Cap'n DrokK


pfff... Fanboy! :tut:

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« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2007, 05:34:59 pm »
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Me = exactly the same as Cap'n DrokK

pfff... Fanboy! :tut:


Sir, for somebody who regularly blows more shifts than a Ford Halewood tart, you must have gonads enlarged to the point of bouyancy to pass insult in a controller thread! :0)

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« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2007, 05:43:40 pm »
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you must have gonads enlarged to the point of bouyancy to pass insult in a controller thread!


Indeed sir, am sat here with a lapful!

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2007, 05:46:15 pm »
hrmmm .. is that why your suit takes so long to clean?  :biggrin:

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2007, 05:52:56 pm »
for some reason i dont think the degree of rotation change from 900... help!
i turned off the profiler..

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2007, 05:59:04 pm »
always set mine in windows control panel> game controllers> Properties> settings... hope this helps... if not, just pretend it's a traction engine!

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2007, 06:02:18 pm »
reinstalled drivers and now it works... i was driving with 900 degrees... back to learning then... lol

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2007, 06:33:33 pm »
It's odd, but as an experiment, I tried the windows control panel> game controllers> Properties> settings method...  and didn't load the profiler. 

It worked ok, but it didn't feel quite right somehow.  It seemed like the subtlety had gone, so it felt a bit woolly (like I couldn't feel the point where the rear wheels started to slide - stuff like that).

Normally I plug in the wheel, start the profiler then run the game.  In theory, as long as the drivers are loaded, both methods should work the same.

Dunno, might be just me.  Further experimentation required I think.




[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2007, 06:35:17 pm »
well i was doing better with 900 degrees than anything else ive tried :(
it surely is a big change.. experimenting required indeed... i might have to use the old wheel
in SJC race..

440 with lock of 20 seems ok... just gotta get used to it i guess..
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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2007, 08:00:51 am »
well i was doing better with 900 degrees than anything else ive tried :(
it surely is a big change.. experimenting required indeed... i might have to use the old wheel
in SJC race..

440 with lock of 20 seems ok... just gotta get used to it i guess..


Just curious.  It's four months later.  What did you decide on?

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #68 on: June 11, 2007, 01:53:24 pm »
Just curious.  It's four months later.  What did you decide on?


I use 440 with GTL, 360 with GTR2, and i change those in rfactor, but usually i never go under 360.. not
even for open wheelers.

(edit the lock completely depend on the car)

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2007, 02:38:03 pm »
interesting, wheel set at 600 in the windows controller advanced thing, don't change it for GTR2 / GTL or any rFactor Mod, i just adjust the in car steering lock until the muscles in my arm relax and i'm working the wheel without thinking about it, if i run too high a steering lock my arm start freezing and sort of lock up, normally start at 10 then work my way up, yes and sometime you come to the first corner and just sail off the track for a burger, once it's close-ish, ie: feeling right, then the rally driving starts and if i can catch most of the slides that will normally do it for me, but i might re-adjust again once my lap times come down a bit and my driving style smoothes out.

but as with most things in GTL/GTR & rFactor everyone does there own thing and most of everyone gets round the track at a fare rate of knots, think this also effects how one persons setup might not work for you or me, but works for them.

 

 

 




[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2007, 02:39:48 pm »

but as with most things in GTL/GTR & rFactor everyone does there own thing and most of everyone gets round the track at a fare rate of knots, think this also effects how one persons setup might not work for you or me, but works for them.


Yeah definitely this is one of the things that are very personal.. there is no "right" setting.

[SJ]Byron

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Re: Got me a DFP
« Reply #71 on: June 11, 2007, 02:53:52 pm »
Quote from: Jarkko
...there is no "right" setting.


 - Yes there is...  Mine!!!

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