Author Topic: G25 shifter mods.  (Read 10534 times)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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G25 shifter mods.
« on: July 09, 2008, 02:42:34 pm »
Has anyone done any?
Im gonna change the knob and also will do the "No Clicking mod" as its very irritating
the sound it makes.

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=299371

[SJ]GPI Steve

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 02:48:22 pm »
Its a great and informative thread that is.
I done my knob rofl and i have a spare shifter which i would like to take apart and do the resistance mod.. you kinda get used to the clicking  :yep:

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 03:02:14 pm »
The clicking aint very nice for my wife either.. worse part.. she doesnt know about it yet :)
I race so late often also, gotta get rid of it.

[SJ]Sh1te R1der

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 03:25:36 pm »
Great find Jarkko... had mine apart a few times to sort out the sequential aspect (the springs gradually compress over time)... Reckoning on switching to gated shifter once my seat arrives, so these mods will have to be done!  :hats off:

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 07:33:51 pm »
I did the clicking removal thing using the network cable, works a treat.
Silent, and well functional.

[SJ]GPI Steve

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 07:38:04 pm »
was it easy enough to open up etc mate  :?:

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 08:47:45 pm »
was it easy enough to open up etc mate  :?:



Yep it was allright easy. I need to still tweak it a bit, the ball bearing out a bit more from the wire i put there. Two main things to watch out, pots and wires.
I almost bent the other pot useless first cause i wasnt paying attention when assembling it back up.
But its not too hard.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 09:37:24 pm »
Its a bit problematic.
The ball bearing got a little bit stuck and it didnt snap to gear anymore, so took it open again.
Reason for the click is the spring which has too much extra space, causing the huge clicks.
I gotta figure out some way to make less room for the spring, but im gonna sleep on it.
Im sure the network cable will work if you tweak it right, but i want some idiot proof
way to fix the issue. But as i said.. im gonna sleep on it and figure out my own way of doing it.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 09:51:03 pm »
Well this might be more idiot proof option.


[SJ]Stein

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2008, 03:32:16 am »
what the hell's that?  wrappingplastic?



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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2008, 06:19:21 am »
Seems to be. :)

(oh yeah its not my shifter found it in RSC)

[SJ]Stein

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2008, 03:43:32 pm »
Just so the spring doesn't move about.. where as your mod sort of gets rid of the space the spring can travel.


mmm


But then again.. i'm not too bothered with the clickingnoise... and neither is the missus.. it's just a call for her to enter my room sneak in to put the laundry in the cubboard, make a snarly comment when she sees something that's wrong and is gone before i can throw my slippers at her..




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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2008, 03:47:15 pm »
What i mean the round hole is wider than the spring as the ball is wider also.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2008, 10:47:43 am »

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2008, 12:09:47 pm »
Hmm never really thought about eliminating the clicking. I did stretch out my spring to make it a bit more resistive. I may go full out and go no click and find a spacer.

[SJ]Cato Larsen

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 12:32:06 pm »


I got a carbon lookalike at biltema. nice and heavy and fits perfectly in the hand.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2008, 12:49:37 pm »

[SJ]Tysmyster

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2008, 01:55:38 pm »
I happened to be looking at all these G25 shifter mods at RSC just yesterday. Very interesting indeed. I'll put this link up on TWIP too, in the G25 topic. I must say that the extra resistance mod looks very interesting, it might be a little too much resistance now though.... In those clips they show, it looks like quite a bit of force is required to put it into gear. Just removing the clicking would be nice too. Would sound a lot less toyish probably.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2008, 02:46:25 pm »
I think i put it in TWIP also :dunno:

Went out again and bought the shifter knob.. aluminum and leather.. pure excellence. :)
Hmm.. now gotta race a bit and then propably will open the damn shifter... again. :yep:

EDIT:Indeed, i think i need to make it stiffer feeling, both centering spring and the snap to gear.
mmmm... when i get another shifter i can mod this to hell without fear.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2008, 03:32:27 pm by [SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki »

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2008, 07:40:37 pm »
I think i put it in TWIP also :dunno:

Went out again and bought the shifter knob.. aluminum and leather.. pure excellence. :)
Hmm.. now gotta race a bit and then propably will open the damn shifter... again. :yep:

EDIT:Indeed, i think i need to make it stiffer feeling, both centering spring and the snap to gear.
mmmm... when i get another shifter i can mod this to hell without fear.


Heh I am that "lucky" seeing as I killed my first G25's wheel I have pedals and shifters I can "experiment" on.

Im bored so Im going to tackle a few right now.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2008, 07:48:43 pm »
Yeah i havent dont much more to it.. Made it bit stiffer feeling adding foam to the stick inside the leather "bag", the amount took few tweaks but feels actually quite nice now.
Still hoping to buy SST Lightning soon, maybe in month or two.

[SJ]GPI Steve

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2008, 09:46:12 pm »
Just like instg8r i too have a spare shifter and pedals cos of breaking my wheel. i think i might have a play with one of the shifters and  :idea: maybe make a hand brake out of the pedals... then again i have always wanted the sst as well  :think: its given such fantastic reviews.
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[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2008, 06:27:39 am »
Well I had a go at it. my anti-click mod with extra tension seemed to be alright until I put it back together. I used the network cable sheath trick but it appears I will need to do a bit more trimming around the ball bearing as its binding in the hole. I used a few small rubber O-rings I had, to use as packers to put behind the spring. I figure they will be a bit more dual purpose adding some damping and resistance.

Oh here's a simple little mod I had been doing to mine from day one. I take a small zip tie and tighten to be just the size of the shifter shaft(then one click more) and slide it on. It helps keep the leather shift boot in place.

But yeah I gave up on it last night after it locked up after I put it back together. I will have another fiddle with it today.(handy having 2 in that way too.)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2008, 06:35:08 am »
Well I had a go at it. my anti-click mod with extra tension seemed to be alright until I put it back together. I used the network cable sheath trick but it appears I will need to do a bit more trimming around the ball bearing as its binding in the hole. I used a few small rubber O-rings I had, to use as packers to put behind the spring. I figure they will be a bit more dual purpose adding some damping and resistance.

Oh here's a simple little mod I had been doing to mine from day one. I take a small zip tie and tighten to be just the size of the shifter shaft(then one click more) and slide it on. It helps keep the leather shift boot in place.

But yeah I gave up on it last night after it locked up after I put it back together. I will have another fiddle with it today.(handy having 2 in that way too.)


I had the same thing, some have sanded a the piece of cable from other end a bit.. with extra resistance mod, and proper grease it should be possible to make it work.. but its too "bubblegum fix" to me, so ive been planning an alternative way, just havent got around  to it cause i seem to always have something else that i need to do, or then i just dont have the interest at the time.

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2008, 07:24:51 am »
Heh yeah. I cant say I will go back at it again today....it is a PITA and its not like I havent been in there before so I have all my tricks for reassembly. But seeing as I have a shifter still bolted to my seat that works, I wont be too bothered if I dont get back to it.

I think ideally the solution to more resistance is just a tougher spring. The click is easy enough to remove(heck I just thought about that :idea: ) If I use the rubber O-rings on BOTH ends of the spring, it will eliminate the click and create resistance.... :think:

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2008, 11:35:26 am »
Okay now having had a go at BOTH my shifters. My 2nd attempt on my newer shifter worked out much better.
I went with the cable sleeve trick again, but this time I bored out the hole a bit (it has a taper anyway) so I just used a 6.5mm drill bit and reamed it out a bit(the hole is approx. 6mm)
So that worked out fine this time without any jamming so far.

Now my own innovation was to find the right thing to stick in the bottom of the hole to up the resistance. I ended up using a very short motherboard standoff. I added an O-ring to the top of it to isolate it from the spring.

It also now has a much more positive feel in Seq. Mode now as well which is a bit of a plus.

It is now VERY stiff, and well of course it has a small click in it of course. I also did the neutral mod with a rubber band, tho again I love my O-rings so I will look thru my stock and see if I have anything appropriate, as that will have much better durability and better tension.

But yeah so far so good. Im just gonna go do some TT's in GT5:P and see how it goes.

[SJ]GPI Steve

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2008, 02:19:53 pm »
If your like me and like to label up your buttons on your shifter. I just found this over at RSC...

I have tried it and it fits perfect, you can edit it to your preference obviously and best of all its free  :)

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=325244

Edit: I just quickly cut it out with blunt scissors and took a photo so you can see what im on about.

i reckon on glossy photo paper and with a bit of time with a sharp craft knife you have a very personal shifter  :)



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[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2008, 03:46:15 pm »
Indeed that is quite sharp looking. That would be fine if I was only playing Simbin/ISI games but Im a bit more broad in my racing tastes so I wouldn't want to commit to any particular setup(tho it would be darn handy sometimes)

All in all tho I have REALLY upped the resistance and it feels nice and positive now.(Managed # 3 in the World in a Z06 on Fuji without even turning a perfect lap) I am definitely going to do a bit more work on the Neutral modding as with the shifts so crisp now I want the neutral tension a little more in line with it.

[SJ]GPI Steve

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2008, 05:31:17 pm »
Indeed that is quite sharp looking. That would be fine if I was only playing Simbin/ISI games but Im a bit more broad in my racing tastes


I'm gonna print one for each game on thick photo paper so i can interchange them. :)

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2008, 09:56:10 pm »
Indeed that is quite sharp looking. That would be fine if I was only playing Simbin/ISI games but Im a bit more broad in my racing tastes


I'm gonna print one for each game on thick photo paper so i can interchange them. :)


Odd you know I had the same thought....
I will finalize the shifter mods then I will tackle those nice overlays ;)

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2008, 10:27:27 pm »
Indeed that is quite sharp looking. That would be fine if I was only playing Simbin/ISI games but Im a bit more broad in my racing tastes


I'm gonna print one for each game on thick photo paper so i can interchange them. :)

That is a great idea.  thumbs up  I have been trying to align all of my games to the same buttons, but really struggle with it and make mistakes. 
This will help me no end I am sure. :)

[SJ]SergeBMW

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2008, 10:34:08 pm »
I heard most of these mods lessen the life of the shifter.

I havent tried any, clicking sound doesent bother, the wheel makes more noise lol. Id like to make the resistance a bit stronger but I dont want lessen the life of my shifter.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2008, 03:17:34 am »
If your like me and like to label up your buttons on your shifter. I just found this over at RSC...

I have tried it and it fits perfect, you can edit it to your preference obviously and best of all its free  :)

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=325244

Edit: I just quickly cut it out with blunt scissors and took a photo so you can see what im on about.

i reckon on glossy photo paper and with a bit of time with a sharp craft knife you have a very personal shifter  :)






You have exactly the same shifter knob i have lol

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 shifter mods.
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2008, 11:58:42 am »
I heard most of these mods lessen the life of the shifter.

I havent tried any, clicking sound doesent bother, the wheel makes more noise lol. Id like to make the resistance a bit stronger but I dont want lessen the life of my shifter.


Nah I cant really see any of these being any more damaging than regular wear and tear. In fact I have always replaced the standard Lithium grease with better High Duty/Long Term stuff. So even just doing that is already an improvement over stock. I mean all I have essentially done is packed up a spring.