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[SJ]dirtyvfr

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G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« on: February 27, 2007, 06:21:07 pm »
« Last Edit: February 27, 2007, 06:33:12 pm by SJ_dirtyvfr »

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2007, 07:21:26 pm »
I would recommend turning off everything but the Overall Strength. Put the rest of them to zero. By turning on the rest of those "effects" your essentially adding Logitechs idea of those effects not the games ACTUAL effects as they were intended.
Just my 2 cents worth on the subject, Games like NFS and what not benefit from things like Spring Centre etc. but IMO anytime you turn on that other stuff it IMO completely "muddies up" the actual effects.
I will have a look at these tomorrow but I wont be using anything but Overall Strength with the rotate at 900.

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2007, 02:23:30 pm »
I just tried the "With Feeling" profile in a Hammer and I can see if this is what you like anything I use will be far to heavy. That felt like I was turning a bicycle not a big V8 powered hunk of iron.
All a matter of taste as I said ;)

[SJ]Byron

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2007, 02:30:48 pm »
I've not got a G25 (yet!) but I really like the steering to be heavy. 

I think it's because I'm getting all of my physical feedback from the wheel.  The steering in a real car may be lighter, but then you have vibration through the floor as wall as the lateral and acceleration G forces to play with.

Also, it's a while since I drove a real car without power assisted steering!

Heavy steering for me, please!

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[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2007, 02:55:58 pm »
post up your rFactor FFB's and i'll have a go, with the wheel rotation and control panel/game controller settings. what is a Hammer in rFactor anyway.


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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2007, 03:18:40 pm »
I have enough force to get proper response but so that it wont effect my accuracy of control.
so not too much for me.

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2007, 08:41:00 pm »
post up your rFactor FFB's and i'll have a go, with the wheel rotation and control panel/game controller settings. what is a Hammer in rFactor anyway.



Just one of them fake cars in the game(pretend Mustang perhaps?) I just used it as a test vehicle as its a "default" car rather than a mod with possible extra tweaks. I will post my Gated and Seq. Setups tomorrow(I have a paddle one if anyone wants it but they are all the same minus shifting layouts)

[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2007, 09:53:13 pm »
ok, i have been thinking and there is something a bit fishy, maybe

well it's not just one fish, it's more like a big box of fish fingers

1. this is the main one. 
logitech reverse effects, i don't think this works correctly but i've not checked it out or starting digging to find out, but if you turn off centre spring and everything else, the steering is very very light in the garage ie no resistance to turning the steering wheel, but the steering gets heavier the faster you drive, this is back to front, and would mean that if by clicking "reverse effects" if all it's doing is just swapping/changing a value in the FFB settings from a +ve to a -ve or visa versa, then that's not correct.

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if the profiler is running but you start say rFactor but don't use the profiler to start the game, the effect forces are taken from the profilers and not the windows/ game controller settings section. 



       

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2007, 09:58:55 pm »
1:Actually mate theres a setting in the PLRs for Pit Steering Lock. It adjusts the steering in the Pits(I have never messed with it but its in there somewhere)

2: You have been told by me explicitly and in no uncertain terms; DO NOT USE THE PROFILER!!!! it does exactly what you said it does which is why I have said not to use it.....

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2007, 03:54:12 am »
2: You have been told by me explicitly and in no uncertain terms; DO NOT USE THE PROFILER!!!!

GEEK FIGHT!!  :excited:

j/k guys ... I feed from the morsals you drop in these threads :)

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2007, 06:22:31 am »
2: You have been told by me explicitly and in no uncertain terms; DO NOT USE THE PROFILER!!!!

GEEK FIGHT!!  :excited:

j/k guys ... I feed from the morsals you drop in these threads :)


heh next time quote me where I told him the FIRST time ;) so I dont look so "Geeky" but more Paternal  :kids:

[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2007, 08:40:10 am »
i will look for your quote, but i think it says something like "do not use the profiler", it didn't say close the profiler !!!! but i could be wrong, anyway everyone should be working on there own settings with others helping out.

think i have already removed the line in the .ini file that gives you low speed steering and i also tried stien's trick where you enable slowspeed steering all the time.

i have driven rear wheel drive cars with no power assist but i was a long time ago, low power euro stuff sunbeam Ti's,chevette's, magnums and i go karting.

in fact the karting is where this all kicked off

edit: SJ_Pierre61 you mixer ;p

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[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2007, 09:38:58 am »
Heh okay okay. But for clarification here is the Post ;)(Im not gonna quote myself)

Link

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[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2007, 10:45:36 am »
that's not explicit enough :)

my profiler autoruns when windows starts

so what i'm saying is,

you have to "RIGHT CLICK" the minimized "profiler icon" in the tray

and then "click EXIT"

then click "OK" to "Terminating this program will cause any Logitech Controller to quit functioning properly"


otherwise even if you DON'T START a game by using the profiler by right clicking/launch game/select the game it still takes control.

changing any settings in windows/gamecontroller/settings doesn't make a blind bit of difference if the profiler is running and it will take control of your settings, now i will add that i do have game profiles setups in the profiler for GTL/GTR2/RF, so i don't know if by not having any specific profiles setup in the profiler it would behave differently as once a game profile is set up you have to activate it and then go into game specific settings.

you could end up with a situation were someone turns off settings in windows/game controller/settings and the fact is that nothing has changed as it's the logitech profiler that has the final say, even if a game specific profile HAS NOT BEEN SETUP. unless the profiler been turned off.
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[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2007, 02:04:54 pm »
Okay Mate  I was clear on this INSTALL IT AND FORGET IT(the last option after install is to Untick the box "allow Program to start with Windows")Barring that go into the Profiler and turn it off NOW!
I mean your talking yourself in circles Lad. You just keep describing issues DIRECTLY relating to the Profiler which SHOULD NOT BE ON!!!
I mean go have a look over at the Logi Forums where the mods describe EXACTLY what you keep saying IF the profiler is on IT controls the FFB if it is OFF the GAME does.

Your causing your own issues for no reason at all. I mean if your "testing" stuff fine, but you are basically creating your own headache.

Final and ONLY solution which was from the GET GO
and now I have to quote myself:

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My main point is do not use the Profiler(the actual program)I cannot stress this enough(install it and forget it even exists).


I will amend it by saying WHEN you install do NOT allow it to start with Windows. IF it is running disable it from starting.


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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2007, 02:45:17 pm »
make it clear m8, if you goto the profiler click on menu tab then , global profiler settings,type of profile untick in first section, "do not apply profiler to games", in the general behaviour untick first box , "start up in system startup"
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[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2007, 03:20:33 pm »
it's, ok,  i'm totally sorted in GTL (for mid engine cars anyway) with 450 degrees of steering, all the force feedback settings at 100, spring on and at 79, depending on the car and track running between 2 and 4 seconds off of GTL world rank record pace online, but that's my race pace with fuel and a lot of times in the rank thing will be out of date.

so now i have a .plr file for mid engine cars, i will start to make another .plr file for front engined cars, using the renamed GPEDIT.

i was not talking myself in any circles young chap, i was just making sure that people understood that if the profiler is running it has control.

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"I will amend it by saying WHEN you install do NOT allow it to start with Windows. IF it is running disable it from starting." 

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[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2007, 03:57:45 pm »
make it clear m8, if you goto the profiler click on menu tab then , global profiler settings,type of profile untick in first section, "do not apply profiler to games", in the general behaviour untick first box , "start up in system startup"
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Yes the first bit is a pseudo-alternate method to disabling the Profiles without shutting down the Profiler(I personally found that bit after my last post as well, frankly I have NEVER opened it ;) )

As for you Dirty I am glad we are all now on the same page. I woulda thought everyone knew that little tidbit all along(my whole reasoning behind making the statement not to use it in first place)

Sorry if I got flustered about it I dont think  :wall: would do it justice.....

[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2007, 12:04:30 pm »
surprise result

this is just an observation

after following Banger's and Inst8r's instructions on the USB power and turning off the profiler so it doesn't start with windows,

i have noticed that when i start my PC, the G25 sounds much better, when it does it wee test spin thing.

before it used to start turning, then it would stutter a 1/4 of a second then it would start spinning again, was always a bit concerned about the hesitation but never got round to asking anyone about it.

now the wheel just bursts into life and it spins at a constant rate, no hesitation at all and the tone of the motor/motors is uniform throughout the test spin.

excellent

     

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2007, 03:56:18 pm »
As it rightfully should be.... :jawdrop:. I mean mate I havent been riding your ass about this for the sake of argument. :ner ner:

[SJ]Byron

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2007, 04:24:30 pm »
Mind if I join in?

 :)

The way I always did it was to plug my wheel in then start the profiler and run the game from there. 

I don't have the centring spring enabled and everything except degrees of rotation is on zero.

Am I to understand I'll get better ffb if I don't run the profiler?  I have tried this but I wasn't sure I noticed any difference.  Perhaps I should try it again?

For what it's worth, I never plug my DFP in until Windows has finished loading...  Doesn't seem to work right if I just leave it plugged in.

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2007, 07:16:53 pm »
Im not going to answer any more questions on this subject..... :wall:

I think you will find the answers in this thread as I ran him thru the ringer on the subject and that was enough for me....

But short answer Byron, Its wrong.

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2007, 07:20:37 pm »
glad you sorted now dirtyvfr, :gtg:

[SJ]Byron

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2007, 08:00:30 pm »
Oooh...  Sorry I spoke!

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[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2007, 08:27:35 pm »
Smite me all you like. Thats my story and Im sticking to it.....

[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2007, 09:58:06 pm »
Im not going to answer any more questions on this subject..... :wall:

I think you will find the answers in this thread as I ran him thru the ringer on the subject and that was enough for me....

But short answer Byron, Its wrong.


you ran fuck all through the ringer

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2007, 10:01:23 pm »
As it rightfully should be.... :jawdrop:. I mean mate I havent been riding your ass about this for the sake of argument. :ner ner:


bawbag  :ner ner:
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[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2007, 10:53:07 pm »
Mate you had me so frustrated. I explained to you not to use the profiler. Next your posting all the things that are "weird" going on with the profiler, then you come the these  conclusions and "suprise results"(which again weren't a surprise at all) that was obvious from the start THE PROFILER is doing it. REALLY???? I wonder why I told you to turn it off in the first place.
Not too mention the whole thing has been spread across more than one thread so you see my frustration.Perhaps I would have been more correct to say You rang ME thru the ringer.

Your a nice guy Gogs but one tough egg to get a point across too......

I will apologize to anyone I was short with(except Gogs  :ner ner::innocent:) I am not well right now(I have some very bad Digestive tract stuff going on and the Norwegian medical system is leaving ALOT to be desired to the point where I have been waiting 6 weeks(suffering the whole time) now for a letter that will "estimate" and appointment(read: weeks, months) only after THAT will I then be given an appointment.
Lets say I wake up most mornings in a pool of cold sweat, feeling like someone has been punching me in the gut while I slept, then my day only gets worse from there. I am under alot of stress becuase of this and Im not a patient man to begin with.... :sorry:

[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2007, 11:58:29 pm »
it's not a problem man, i did play the devils advocate in some posts as i was being very very very tactful, i almost always post to educate and i also don't mind asking questions if i don't know something even if it make me look daft, as that's the only way to learn, without spending like hours searching the net.

i'm a very chilled out SJ humble guy

but if someone says "do this" then i also expect them to tell me "why" & "how"

mega  :peace out: &  :salute:

 

 

 

 

[SJ]JuneBug

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2007, 12:28:47 am »
SJ_dirtyvfr thanks for the post. I did what you said and tested it... not sure what profiler is as I am a novice Rf guy but I just copied my existing wheel setup in settings then edited the files as directed so the default setup was untouched.

With Feelings: Pretty cool once I got used to the constant feedback from the engine/pavement what have you... very cool.

The Smoothies: a little too light for my tastes.

Thanks again  :salute:

[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2007, 01:06:38 am »
it's not a problem man, i did play the devils advocate in some posts as i was being very very very tactful, i almost always post to educate and i also don't mind asking questions if i don't know something even if it make me look daft, as that's the only way to learn, without spending like hours searching the net.

i'm a very chilled out SJ humble guy

but if someone says "do this" then i also expect them to tell me "why" & "how"

mega  :peace out: &  :salute:

 

 

 

 


Well Gogs for future reference DONT play that with me, I HATE repeating myself especially when Im pretty clear the first time, I also dont have alot of time for hand holding(feel like Im dealing with children) so if you want an answer ASK to the point. I dont like dancing its a waste of energy.
But I will also take under consideration your need for the hows and whys as I'm the same. 

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2007, 04:52:50 pm »
Okay Gogs here is you "Black and White" answers I found them today as Im dealing with the EXACT same lack of understanding over at the Atari Forum regarding this EXACT same subject... :wall:

Plz read the bits at the bottom(Ironically it says EXACTLY what I have been saying all along.....almost like they quoted me or something)

Link to Wingman FAQ

This will be my absolute LAST comment on this subject. ANY further inquiries will be directed to that link

Thank you :gtg:

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2007, 05:29:32 pm »
whatever

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[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2007, 05:53:37 pm »
Dont sulk mate. You wanted to play "Devils Advocate" and I dont play BS games. You wanted an answer there it is from the source.

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2007, 05:57:17 pm »
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i have changed the post, it reads the same way, i don't want to post stuff like that on the SJ forums or embarrass my m8's
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[SJ]INSTG8R

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Re: G25 rFactor-3-ini-FFB-files
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2007, 06:11:51 pm »
Dont be childish mate. I was as patient about this as I could be. you talked in circles post after post only to admit you were intentionally "being tactful" you dont like me pissing in your oatmeal don't play dumb games for the sake of your ego...

Like i said for gogs i want you to quit this stupidity too, now its time to shut up and let it go. No one should have nothing more to add to the subject. nothing. -PDSM
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