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Marcus

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I need your advice please.
« on: April 10, 2007, 03:33:26 am »
I'm trying to help my sister pick an affordable computer.  Her budget is $1500.00.  She has recently started her own photography business, and is in need of a faster computer to edit her photo's with.
Currently she's using a 1.2Gig ancient laptop.

So I've set out trying to stay within her budget.  I found this HP, and I think once it's stripped of all the clingon software it would do a good job for her.  I know clones aren't the way to go usually, but trying to get a fast box at that price isn't easy.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883107230

Please tell me what you think, and if you know of a better deal somewhere. ;)

-Marcus

[SJ]Satain

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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2007, 03:49:51 am »
I would be absolutely through the roof with that machine Marcus, but i see no mention of a graphics cared which would be quite necessary if into editing photos and those sorts of things...

Marcus

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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2007, 03:57:32 am »
I would be absolutely through the roof with that machine Marcus, but i see no mention of a graphics cared which would be quite necessary if into editing photos and those sorts of things...


Click the "Specifications" tab on the right.

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Graphics
GPU/VPU Type    NVIDIA GeForce 7600GT
Graphics Card    NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT graphics card with 256MB video memory, TV-out, and Dual DVI-I capabilities.
Graphics Interface    PCI Express x16


Yes, I know everybody hates HP, and clones... but I want that one too.  Mines feeling it's age, and that HP is so cheap. :( I'm sure it could get me by until I can one day afford to build a monster.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2007, 04:01:41 am »
Well as far as i know Mac is the standard in that line of business?  :?:

[SJ]kramer5

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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2007, 04:59:21 am »
That'd be a great machine if not overkill for those purposes, the tv stuff is probably not necessary as is the wireless kybd and mouse. Wired is needed for pixel point accuracy of a pro. That being said you could probably do good on the 750-900 dollar HP's, just had a friend get the one a couple under that one with the AMD 4800 dual core and it's a great machine. Built on a stripped down ASUS motherboard and all name brand parts inside.

 With the savings you could PURCHASE lol photoshop. Killer graphics in the 3d world do nothing to help 2d photo editing so whatever the card is look for accurate color rather than blazing speed. The monitor and it's color accuracy are equally important.

[SJ]JuneBug

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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2007, 05:01:52 am »
I hear too that Macs are the way to go for image editing but that computer you are looking at is not too shabby at all especially with the $200 mail in rebate, you really couldn't go wrong. Generally those who take pictures take allot of them so the 500GB Sata drive is a bonus as well.

My two cents  :)


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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2007, 06:45:43 am »
Oh i see the specs now lol, well i agree it's a pretty good machine and for that dosh i reckon you could do a heap better if you bought the parts yourself and made it, and just for editing photos and the likes i do think that is a bit overkill, 7600gt? could cut that down to 6600gt and maybe a notch lower of cpu to 1.93 dual core thingy majige and 1gb ram. Changing those few things would save you like $300 or probably alot more (not sure on pricing in US) the hard drive is a definate though, when mucking around with photos and stuff lots of storage is needed so she'll need that. Thats my $0.5c  $0.10c stupid government

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2007, 06:58:03 am »
Its an excellent choice for someone doing photo editing. It has lots of RAM, great CPU, a GFX card with a good pile of Oomph(but not a great "gamer" card per say as it a "budget card" in the NV line of things)It has a Card reader so that makes dumping photos easier. It has has 2 VERY good optical drives as far as Burning and Reading, one can read HD-DVD and the other can do labels right on the DVD/CD's provided its the right media(Lightscribe)
Only 2 things I see that are wrong are like Kramer said in the Wireless bits(Kramer most cards have TV outs its standard). Also Im not a big fan of Windows Media Centre either but that more personal then technical(tho if she has no experience with it she wont like it much either)

[SJ]kramer5

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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2007, 09:04:04 am »
I was referring to the TV tuner in the description and the Media Center OS.

 As far as Mac's being the industry standard, that's true to a large degree, but photoshop is photoshop no matter what platform it's run on.

If you're interested Marcus, the HP I'm referring to was from Best Buy at around $750 for the AMD version and they had the intel version of pretty much the same thing altho it was a little more money. They both came with vista home premium which does have the media center built into it altho neither came with a tuner card.

The AMD is an HP a1730n
The Intel is an HP a1720n

I also know a guy that can give u a helluva price on a custom built machine if your interested ;)
« Last Edit: April 10, 2007, 09:30:20 am by SJ_kramer5 »

[SJ]Byron

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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2007, 11:03:11 am »
Quote from: Jarkko
Well as far as i know Mac is the standard in that line of business?


Trouble with Macs is you need deep pockets...

People who do arty stuff do tend to prefer Macs, but people who are skint, and who need to be able to take their machines to bits and upgrade them themselves, are stuck with PCs!


[SJ]INSTG8R

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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2007, 11:16:39 am »
I was referring to the TV tuner in the description and the Media Center OS.


Gotcha I thought you were referring to the TV Out on the cards. But then I also stated I have no love for Media Centre as its a bizzare version of XP that needs different drivers for most stuff and just has alot of useless "Media" features for the Average user that just make using it more difficult unless your using just for say HTPC applications.

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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2007, 11:37:09 am »
Seems like a fine computer to me..I've had an HP before this one and it was good enough, no serious problems or whatever..just when i wanted to upgrade my PSU i couldnt..cause it had a specific size in depth and was just 200 watt.

I dont think it applys to this one, i hope not...cause this seems to be good upgradable in the future..RAM up to 8GB...PCI Express 16x GPU slot..intel socket which can be upgraded to high end (which is now high end ofcourse), because that processor isnt the best in the socket serie.
Also has DVI out..great imo
LAN speeds seem good for now, and if its mostly for editing photos etc i dont think that has to "grow"
Good size of HD..altho if its needed to enlarge it i find extern hard drives excellent.

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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2007, 11:46:15 am »
I was referring to the TV tuner in the description and the Media Center OS.


Gotcha I thought you were referring to the TV Out on the cards. But then I also stated I have no love for Media Centre as its a bizzare version of XP that needs different drivers for most stuff and just has alot of useless "Media" features for the Average user that just make using it more difficult unless your using just for say HTPC applications.


Well, I have XP media center and the only possible 'different' drivers you're referening to are those from the graphics card (nVidia or AMD/ATI) and the only difference in these drivers are some extra settings stuff for the media center application.
In fact you could use the same drivers as those for the "normal" XP, which will just work great and the only thing "missing" is the possibilty to change some settings within the media center application (no big deal really)

XP media center = xp home + media center (+ a few xp pro features)

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[SJ]INSTG8R

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2007, 02:32:07 pm »
I was referring to the TV tuner in the description and the Media Center OS.


Gotcha I thought you were referring to the TV Out on the cards. But then I also stated I have no love for Media Centre as its a bizzare version of XP that needs different drivers for most stuff and just has alot of useless "Media" features for the Average user that just make using it more difficult unless your using just for say HTPC applications.


Well, I have XP media center and the only possible 'different' drivers you're referening to are those from the graphics card (nVidia or AMD/ATI) and the only difference in these drivers are some extra settings stuff for the media center application.
In fact you could use the same drivers as those for the "normal" XP, which will just work great and the only thing "missing" is the possibilty to change some settings within the media center application (no big deal really)

XP media center = xp home + media center (+ a few xp pro features)


Yeah that was what I was referring to as far as different drivers. His sister wants it mostly for Photo Editing so I suppose that was main reasoning for not being all about the Media Centre edition(tho hey as a User of it perhaps you could enlighten us on its possible advantages for say the purpose she needs it for)I have no use for it YET until I build a new rig and retire the Missus's and make it a Media Centre/Server
Im by no means knocking it as it does have its uses but to an XP user it can be a bit too much of a change unless your more of a "Power User" to begin with, but again as a user of it you can definitely give it the "Pros and Cons Treatment"

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2007, 07:25:19 pm »
Hi Marcus,
May I suggest you check out http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
Cyberpowerpc is based in L.A. and despite some initial misgivings on my part, they have come through big time for me. You can specify exactly the components you want and they assemble and test the rig for a couple hundred bucks more than the components ordered individual if you were building yourself. Quality of assembly was top notch on my machines. Went with round cabling and professional wiring for $20. Big plus is no proprietary garbage on the HD or BIOS, in fact you can order with no OS like I did and just load windows with nlite which is sweet! So far I have 2 of their machines one of which is my racing rig with absolutely no complaints other than the longish lead time to ship. I recommended to 2 friends and they now have cyberpower rigs also. Last, I recommended cyberpower to our company and they recently bought 4 rigs for engineering. All are up and running with no problems.
Maybe I should switch companies and sell for cyberpower?    lol

It's worth a look at their site I think. Prices are very good!
Steve

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2007, 09:19:56 pm »
My firm uses HP computers, and though not high spec, they are reliable on the whole... what about Dell (smited!) they build rigs to your spec, and not unreasonably priced imo... re processor, i can think of no good reason not to go for an intel chip at the present time; they are faster, cheaper, cooler running, better at multi threaded applications, better at cpu intensive tasks, just better really, and this is coming from someone who has only ever used AMD chips!  Core duo are also supreme overclockers; stick a freezer pro cooler on and rev the nuts off it... i want one!

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2007, 03:08:01 am »
Thank you all for the good advice!

Sadly all I've really accomplished is making myself very depressed.  I finally realize how far behind my PC is. :(

[SJ]Satain

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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2007, 09:40:33 am »
Try having a comp from the 2001  o:  o:  o:


Talk about depressing  :cuttingwrists:


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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2007, 10:27:16 am »
Im in no place to complain but i must say its so easy to spend a good couple grand on a computer only to have it out dated in about 3 months and by 2 years and definetly 3 struggling to play the latest games on medium. Once DX10 comes out and the games for it so many PC's will bite the dust.

I wont be upgrading my PC until DX10 and Vista has taken over. It still holds its own atm and plays all the games i want easily so no need to upgrade except for braggin rights  rotfl

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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2007, 11:00:16 am »
My sediments exactly Fryz I built this rig to these monster specs full well knowing it would NEVER be my Vista rig but it would be an "asskicker" UNTIL I decided to make the jump. It can full well run Vista(minus the DX10) and will end up being my Missus's Vista rig WHEN I decide to make the jump I will just buy DX10 cards for it when she finally needs it for something.

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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2007, 11:03:38 am »


Yeah I agree with the AGP thing totally Gogs there are some real smokers available now and I have been REALLY fighting hard not to buy an X1950 Pro 512MB to put in my Missus's rig as the X800XT thats in there now is definitely starting to show its age with the games she is playing(not too mention Im a bit of an FPS junkie and tho the X800XT still plays stuff well its getting very borderline in say BF2142 which is she is playing more and more and I dont like to see her struggle with FPS while I sit on my rig with monster FPS while she has to wait for me to upgrade again)

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2007, 11:27:35 am »
come on marcus .

there a song about that.

Always look on bright side of life......starts to whistle tune
Also i just slapped a few more gig in the memory department.my not like it use to be,i plug into pc to remember the web address
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