Author Topic: GPU choice: I need your knowledge.  (Read 1988 times)

[SJ]DenDanger

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GPU choice: I need your knowledge.
« on: October 17, 2008, 03:18:02 am »
 Okay, so next week, I will finally be getting a new graphics card.

 I been looking at this one, had my mind pretty much set on it too, but tonight I was looking at their site and well. Is there really any advantage in it over this one??

 Other than the monitor inputs I don't see a lot of advantage to spending the extra $60.

 Are they not the same basic cards? And if not, am I really going to notice the (50% price  increase) difference especially since they're AGP? I know there's a few of you here that know the ins and outs of every card so I am asking "the experts" for your opinions.

 Thanks. thumbs up

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Oh wait I see it now. I didn't see the 3SIX50 as oppoposed to 8. UUm, I'm an idiot. K, you guys can remove this thread now.

 :burn him: :sorry: :sorry:
« Last Edit: October 17, 2008, 03:23:11 am by [SJ]Dent »

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 03:44:11 am »
Couple questions first... what video card do you have right now, and what kind of cpu, ram, and power supply do you have?

The 3850 is the most powerful AGP card ever made, as I'm sure you know.  You just have to make sure you have a strong enough power supply, and hopefully your cpu is fairly fast as well, otherwise you won't take full advantage of it.

Here's a link with a lot good info about video cards.  The hierarchy chart at the end is especially useful.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Best-Graphics-Card,2033-6.html


[SJ]ski9600

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Re: GPU choice: I need your knowledge.
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 03:51:38 am »
Weigh your options.  Maybe you could upgrade to a PCI=E cars (new motherboard, ram, CPU) for a similar cost or a bit more...  Although, the "fastest AGP card ever" for $160cad sounds like a real deal.  I think if this card were available a couple years ago I might still be running AGP.  However, be aware that you are investing in a dead technology and if you want to end up with a real high end system you should consider (investing some extra bucks/upgrade time in) the other option.  thumbs up

[SJ]DenDanger

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 04:08:15 am »
 I debated going to a PCI-E motherboard not long ago but decided to upgrade what I have.

 I have P4 3.0 Ghz cpu overclocked to about 3.2 normally but I have it at just over 3.0 right now. The graphics is a geForce 6200, PSU is Ultra 650 watt and I got 2 GB of Ultra RAM.

 When I first saw the lower priced card, I thought it was a version of the 3850. Sorry about that. My mistake. I looked at some tests comparing the 3650 to the 3850 and um, definitely going to go to the 3850.
 Basically, then, this PC is "done" as I can go no further. (I do plan on more storage but.......next "big" step is a G-25...just saw they dropped average of $40!))

 I know any further than this I will need to build a new PC and if with this card, I can run GTL and GTR etc, that's all I require. (for now..LOL)

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 05:36:33 am »
Because of your P4 3.0 cpu, you wouldn't see the full potential of the 3850.  An AGP 3850 only makes sense if you have a fast dual core Athlon 64 X2 cpu with a socket 939 motherboard.  That's the fastest platform that supports AGP.  Otherwise I think you're wasting money with a 3850.  My recommendation would be to get one of these:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016170&cid=999.821
You'll save some money, and it's a HUGE improvement over the GeForce 6200 you have now, and a very good fit for your p4.

If you want more performance than that, you'll need to upgrade to a PCI-E system as Steve mentioned.

Edit:  Scratch that link above... here is a much better deal!!  It's the XT version of the HD 2600 with GDDR3 memory for $89.99, and it's in stock.  Very good deal!  Best vid card for your system imo, and hard to find these days.  GTL and GTR2 will run smooth as silk @ 1280x1024 DX9 with this.
http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=6835
« Last Edit: October 17, 2008, 05:48:38 am by [SJ]Peter Enqvist »

[SJ]DenDanger

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 08:07:54 am »

Edit:  Scratch that link above... here is a much better deal!!  It's the XT version of the HD 2600 with GDDR3 memory for $89.99, and it's in stock.  Very good deal!  Best vid card for your system imo, and hard to find these days.  GTL and GTR2 will run smooth as silk @ 1280x1024 DX9 with this.
http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=6835


 Hey, thanks Peter.

 I appreciate it as I can definitely save the money! (My youngest has her birthday Nov 13th! LOL)

 AND, I can get to this place! I can WALK to Kipling Ave and take the bus straight down and it'll be fun as it's in the area I worked in a lot so like an adventure. Yay!! Good memories all around!

 Not only have you helped me in this decision but have excellent taste in GTL favourite cars! (Yeah, I love that 590 too!)
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[SJ]DenDanger

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 08:16:39 am »
I saw it's "soon to be discontinued", Looks like a good deal. And even if I still got the 3850, it's noticebly cheaper there and easier for me to get too than the other place. LOL.

 I'm still kinda itching for it merely because it IS "the best" and I get few chances in life to have "the best" and well, I just linda think for the price.....plus eventually I may find a newer PC that can use it as all I can work with is used stuff.....

 So. Comparision.

 What does the 3850 do over the 2600? In layman's terms? What do you get for the extra 50 bucks?

EDIT:Looks like I'll be getting the new card Monday. The kids have Friday off school (my original planned day) and so the wife is going to loan me $200 Monday and I'll pay her back Friday. COOL!
« Last Edit: October 17, 2008, 01:53:40 pm by [SJ]Dent »

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 04:50:49 pm »
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-agp-3850-agp,1939.html

They've tested the HD3850 AGP with a single core AMD Athlon64 3400+, which is a bit better than your P4 3Ghz, but it's quite close. Also featured in the review is the 2600XT, so you can see yourself what you'd get for 50 bucks extra  ;)

(BTW: Crysis is a DX10 game, so I wouldn't pay much attention to that game unless you also play fps games like CoD 4, Crysis, ...)

[SJ]DenDanger

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 05:08:57 pm »
 Thanks Kristof.

 I've only played like Civilization III (badly) and Railway Tycoon other than GTL and GTR2, but I want to try more stuff one day. I know I want Flight Simulator. Is it 2004? The one before X. And eventually Ship Simulator, and um, Train Simulator, And I'd like to try shooters and stuff. One day.

 Since I've gotten sick, my PC has become "my world" and I want to broaden that world. LOL.

[SJ]DRokK

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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 05:12:05 pm »
Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon  64 is already bumping up against obsolescence.

 that seems to be the key paragraph dent  :hats off:

[SJ]DenDanger

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 05:15:54 pm »
 Thanks DRokK.

 I'm thinking though for the minimal extra investment, I'm going for it as I'm more likely on my budget to get a newer AGP PC than a PCI-E and if I DO get a PCI-E, I will worry about that when it happens. Not likely to very soon.

 Basically, I'm tired of compromising and then getting home and being disapointed. So this time I'm going to go for it just because I can. Besides. It'll make my year!!

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 06:30:02 pm »
Yep indeed DRokK, I didn't read the whole article, but judging from the benchmarks that was exactly my idea. I have a 2600 Pro or XT AGP somewhere, but never got it to work decently tbh. You have to use special drivers because the one's on AMD/ATI's website are meant for PCI-E. Didn't spent much time to figure out what the problem was in my case in fact, but drivers played a part in it for sure.

[SJ]DenDanger

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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 06:34:32 pm »
So, Kristof. You think bluntly, the 3850 is a good idea?

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 06:48:30 pm »
So, Kristof. You think bluntly, the 3850 is a good idea?


The 2600 is enough really, you won't see much (if any) benefit from buying a 3850 instead.

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2008, 04:03:33 am »
I'm not sure you'd benefit much if you upgrade to a 'newer' AGP system in the future.  If you upgrade to a faster AGP video card now, then the next logical upgrade path would be to a PCI-E system.  It's been around long enough that you can find used motherboards, ddr2 ram, and dual core cpu's for very cheap, so just because it's PCI-E doesn't mean you have to buy the latest most expensive parts.

[SJ]DenDanger

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2008, 11:02:12 am »
 There's some real good info here. Thanks everyone.

[SJ]DenDanger

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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2008, 08:08:05 pm »
 This really helped, a special thank you to Peter Enqvist. For my experience with this, I wrote it here.

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2008, 09:19:21 pm »
No problem Dent.  Glad I could help.  I signed up and posted a reply on TWIP.  :salute:

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2008, 10:25:10 pm »
Just ordered Radeon HD 4850... will crossfire it with another 4850 or 4870 later..