Author Topic: result in the Mclaren-Ferrari spy thingie  (Read 2937 times)

[SJ]Stein

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Re: result in the Mclaren-Ferrari spy thingie
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2007, 10:49:34 am »
Thx Shite.. at least someone who understands..



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[SJ]Sh1te R1der

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Re: result in the Mclaren-Ferrari spy thingie
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2007, 11:03:48 am »
This is Formula 1... it's politics with cars, and that is why i love it!  Anything other motorsport, where there is no overtaking and so on, and interest would have died... but technology, subterfuge, espionage, and matters before the highest courts in the world... that's what F1 is... rivalry, attempted blackmail of one's own team principal... return to the good old days of Senna & Prost, or Piquet & Mansell, or Prost & Mansell, or Senna & Mansell... come to think of it, Anyone & Mansell!  Bring back Nige!

[SJ]CasparGTL

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Re: result in the Mclaren-Ferrari spy thingie
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2007, 11:12:02 am »
The team cheated big time, the team must pay, Mc Laren should lose their points, drivers too. I read some of the email text by Alonso....come on! He is criminal. De la Rosa should be banned for life.

The whole world will remember McLaren winning the 2007 title, not the loss of the constructors points.
I'm sorry for Hamilton and all other innocent peeps but in any sport the whole team would be banned from the league for at least that season. Remember Juventus, Italian football. They didn't ask every player if they knew that the club had done something illegal before sending the whole club to a lower division did they?
But oh no, McLaren is needed for the spectacle so it can just go on and win. FIA needs McLaren so...
Ridiculous! ...Without bollox please, I'm on a diet.

[SJ]Sh1te R1der

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Re: result in the Mclaren-Ferrari spy thingie
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2007, 01:03:13 pm »
I agree to some extent, Cas... i believe Alonso will be sacked/given the opportunity to leave at the end of this season, and that will be a good thing for MaLaren, as he has been shown to be a spoiled child when pressured by his team mate.  He needs to be Number 1, and will move to a team where his team mate represents no threat.  His attempt to hold Ron Dennis to ransom is laughable; there is no-one more shrewd than RD in matters such as this - it was a big mistake for Alonso to consider he could take him on.  De la Rosa is of no consequence to the team; a very average driver, who will not be difficult to replace (Wurz possibly?).

The key is that to ban McLaren will diminish the F1 product as a whole, and perhaps fatally wound the spectacle from a television perspective; and for all Berni's sabre-rattling "McLaren were this close to being booted out of next years championship", you can be sure that he was doing everything he could to ensure that did not happen


[SJ]Rivet

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Re: result in the Mclaren-Ferrari spy thingie
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2007, 02:29:51 pm »
Ok, my last word on this debacle.

Yes, McLaren cheated, unbeknown to Ron.

Yes, they should be penalized.

Yes, they have been penalized.

They have been penalized BIG time in real terms. It's NOT just the fine. Isn't it odd that people don't see much further than $ signs?

Ok, lets destroy and effectively remove F1 from the motor racing calendar by banning McLaren. Fine! Let's just remember that they couldn't have obtained that information without collaboration from certain Ferrari people. No-one's telling me in that organization that it was only Stepney who knew anything about it, so hey, lets ban Ferrari as well. Same deal isn't it? Of course it is. It takes two to tango as they say.

It has also been mentioned that McLarens car was illegal because of this. No it wasn't. All the facts are available. That illegal information never made it into their 2007 car design. The car was wholly McLaren, legal and legitimate. It should not affect the DRIVER'S championship. The FIA have come to the best decision possible.

Alonso threw his toys out of the pram and thought he could take on Ron (Mr. Integrity) Dennis. He couldn't, silly boy. He deserves all he gets (or doesn't next season). Coughlan, De-La Rosa and Alonso have brought shame on the good name of McLaren.

Ferrari's integrity, sportsmanship and rule bending through the years has been less than savoury, however, which is a very well known fact and could probably do with a bit of a polish. I don't suppose Stepney's involvement will make much difference to their reputation.

Isn't it amazing that a whole organization can  almost be brought to it's knees by the illegal dealings of a few dodgy employees from TWO racing organizations? 

Oh yeah, my previous post seems to have been ignored but it does contain a link to the full facts of the situation.

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