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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Formula1 2009 Spain
« on: May 09, 2009, 07:52:05 am »
Well well.. qualify in few hours.. Ferrari should be higher than before.. Mclaren is not working good, they didnt get as big upgrade as many of the teams.. Brawn seems to still have their speed.. watched only few moments of the praccy yesterday.. so im lacking a full picture of whats going on.. but should be good qualify and race once again!

[SJ]Fleischi

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2009, 10:02:54 am »
yeah, this season could be a gr8 one. :D

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2009, 10:41:09 am »
Ferrari is back! WOOT!

[SJ]TheChamp

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2009, 11:12:59 am »
coughlowfuelcough If you look at the gap between Ferrari and the rest which is closely packed together, there is no way that Ferrari has followed the same programme as the other teams.
I guess they have a fair chance of getting both in Q3 though.

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2009, 11:17:27 am »
I've watched the free practice and I think all the drivers have set their fastest time with the softer tyre. The only thing you can't judge is the fuel load, but I think Ferrari have got a real change to fight for pole position.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2009, 11:26:28 am »
Yep, its obvious they have a proper chance of pole.
(i have also watched "beyond" the laptimes)
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[SJ]Grimwart

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2009, 12:23:48 pm »
I guess Ferrari isn't any faster if it stays in the garage

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2009, 12:25:56 pm »
I cant believe they didnt put him out again.... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[SJ]TheChamp

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2009, 06:02:15 pm »
01. Jenson Button - 646,0 kg
02. Sebastian Vettel - 651,5 kg
03. Rubens Barrichello - 649,5 kg
04. Felipe Massa - 655,0 kg
05. Mark Webber - 651,5 kg
06. Timo Glock - 646,5 kg
07. Jarno Trulli - 655,5 kg
08. Fernando Alonso - 645,0 kg
09. Nico Rosberg - 668,0 kg
10. Robert Kubica - 660,0 kg
11. Kazuki Nakajima - 676,6 kg
12. Nelson Piquet - 677,4 kg
13. Nick Heidfeld - 676,3 kg
14. Lewis Hamilton - 683,0 kg
15. Sebastien Buemi - 678,0 kg
16. Kimi Raikkonen - 673,0 kg
17. Sebastien Bourdais - 669,0 kg
18. Heikki Kovalainen - 657,0 kg
19. Adrian Sutil - 675,0 kg
20. Giancarlo Fisichella - 656,0 kg

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2009, 07:37:30 pm »
There ya go, Massa is heaviest of the top 5 cars.

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2009, 07:41:48 pm »
I cant believe they didnt put him out again.... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

going out again is and always will be a drivers call not the team, i think Kimi has no will to win any more. he thinks his seasons over so not trying.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2009, 07:47:25 pm »
Its not ALWAYS drivers choice.. this time it was.. unfortunately.
On the last 2 races team had forced him out again and again.. so much he didnt have any fresh tires for the last part of the qualify. I can imagine that fueled his decision to not go out no matter what this time.. very unfortunate.. the will to win thing is bullcrap btw. and old news. If everyone always inhales everything press says.. well.. dont need to tell ya. Looks like Hamilton doesnt want to win either btw.. ended up in a poo position of 14, with a car that was doing clearly better in the earlier sessions.

:)

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2009, 07:55:05 pm »
the will to win thing i got from an interview  he did with the bbc today. just seems not bothered. says hes got 1 year left on his contract and will see weather hes bothered after that. i think he may go do some other racing in the US maybe.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2009, 08:15:40 pm »
Nah m8, just one interview..
Loads of interviews he has done in finnish its obvious that he is really determined
of winning.. Continuing his career is different matter.. He said he will definitely drive until the end of his contract.. and its more or less up to him if he wasnt to continue after that.. its just wise not to make daft comments of driving 5 more years or whateva when its obvious he is not even himself sure what he wants to do after the next season. Theres so much more, than what one short interview will reveal, always is.
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(not to mention he couldnt care less of talking to some BBC or whoever is harrassing him at the time..)

[SJ]Stein

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2009, 08:24:24 am »
Are you sure you are in no way other related then both beeing Finish?


 :sulk:

As that last bit sounded.. well.. you know.. biased?

Dont get me wrong, i haven't seen the interview, and i love kimi's style and his way with words, but there's many a team out there who's going to see that interview as well on behalf of those that link it through to them.... if he's that careless about something for the "big show of F1"  some teams might think twice about hiring him.   As it's all about commercializing, beeing the "head of the team" (besides the teammanager) they are the ones first spoken to.

On the other hand, i'd like it to continue ofcourse that F1 drivers openly show theyre resentment when they feel theyve been stalked enough for one day.


Woof ~ Woof


[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2009, 10:31:58 am »
I think we just have different image of the whole guy, theres no need to be biased in a matter like this.. I mean.. i can realistically say Kovalainen will never be a championship candidate, he just lacks a bit of speed.. and he is Finnish.. its a no issue to observe what i see and form a clear non-biased image about things in my head.. What comes to Kimi, of course as a fan ive spent plenty of time figuring out why one of the most talented drivers in F1 aint doing so good atm..
and will to win definitely aint whats causing it..

lol

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2009, 11:00:12 am »
so what do you think is the reason then?

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2009, 11:09:54 am »
Last season it was simply he couldnt get the car to work (well tires mainly) at any point of the season, as silly as it sounds.. This season when now that the car is better, and tires that suite him much better.. he should do pretty good for the rest of the season! (assuming he/ferrari can get rid of the numerous brainfarts theyve had at the start of season)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2009, 12:43:25 pm »

[SJ]Grimwart

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2009, 01:46:35 pm »
Would have been interesting to see what the Red Bulls could have done if they didn't get stuck behind Massa from the start. Looks like Jenson was in a class of his own on the hard tyres at the end though.

[SJ]Nailz

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2009, 06:31:39 am »

[SJ]Fleischi

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2009, 08:01:44 pm »
i don´t like that team but if they do it realy it would ba shame for the F1

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12433_5317968,00.html

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2009, 09:08:40 pm »
Nah its just politics to get the cap lifted to 100million or so. Patrick head from williams put it in context in an interview last Saturday.
its like a haggle situation Bernie starts low and the the big 4 come in high, they will find a middle ground that suits them all(well Ferrari mostly eh Jarkko  ;) ). in the mean time they play games while they have no championship to win  lol

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2009, 09:22:57 pm »
Ferrari is not the only team making noise about the cap.. :)

[SJ]Fleischi

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2009, 09:24:52 pm »
yup. deadline is 29th so still enough time but in the past Bernie want have his own league and maybe the reds start it now. hope it doesn´t and so :(

[SJ]2shedz

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2009, 07:02:21 am »
My view, Ferrari are NOT F1 if they want to throw in the towel it wont make any difference to my sleep patterns  :finger:  :D
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[SJ]Fleischi

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2009, 07:13:56 am »
Well, i like the idea to reduce cost for the teams but this 40 Mio isn´t realy helpfull. Team with an own engine should get more i think. Teams like Brawn just by there engines and doesn´t need to test these so much like the pruducer. From my point of view it should allowed that teams with own engines been allowed to test +20% and can spend more money for it. Sure the teams who by these engines have the problems that this one isn´t create for there car and so they must fix it but creating both with 40 Mio and minimized testdays isn´t realy fair enough. However, lots of teams  been against this rule. BMW, Renault, Mercedes..... looks like it make only sence for Brawn GP and Force India lol

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2009, 06:55:22 pm »
Well, i like the idea to reduce cost for the teams but this 40 Mio isn´t realy helpfull. Team with an own engine should get more i think. Teams like Brawn just by there engines and doesn´t need to test these so much like the pruducer. From my point of view it should allowed that teams with own engines been allowed to test +20% and can spend more money for it. Sure the teams who by these engines have the problems that this one isn´t create for there car and so they must fix it but creating both with 40 Mio and minimized testdays isn´t realy fair enough. However, lots of teams  been against this rule. BMW, Renault, Mercedes..... looks like it make only sence for Brawn GP and Force India lol


As there is an engine freeze in force since a few years Mercedes, Ferrari, ... just have to produce those engines, there is no developement on engines. And the 40milion is WITHOUT the cost for the engines (also without marketing costs and some other things)!

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2009, 07:04:27 pm »
Quote from: Autosport
The FIA confirmed that the budget cap would run from January 1 to December 31, with the £40 million figure covering all team expenditure, with certain exceptions.

Most notable among these is that engine costs will not be included in the budget capped expenditure for 2010.

Also excluded from the budget cap are marketing and hospitality, driver pay, fines and penalties imposed by the FIA, anything that teams can demonstrate has no influence on its on-track performance and dividends paid from profits relating to participation in the championship.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74947


[SJ]DRokK

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2009, 07:05:00 pm »
yep drivers wages are exempt from the 40mil too

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2009, 07:13:05 pm »
Yeah, but of course there are enough (new/young) drivers that are willing to pay for a F1 seat :)

[SJ]Fleischi

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Re: Formula1 2009 Spain
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2009, 07:32:05 pm »
ooops, i´ve just forgot that with the engines.

so it should work normaly. well, i think the most teams want still more money. we will see how it gos.