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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« on: March 25, 2009, 06:41:54 pm »

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 06:46:10 pm »
Jarkks if you still got a working UK proxy, i believe the bbc is streaming online  :innocent:

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 07:06:29 pm »
Seems like you're a true F1 addict  :)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 08:44:06 pm »
The proxy is not great.. at best i has crappy image quality.. crapload of commercials.. and uncertain if it will work at all/for the full race.. And yes ive become more and more F1 addict during last couple seasons.. used to do that a lot but somehow lost interest for several seasons.. the flame is burning definitely again, enjoying F1 enormously.
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[SJ]ski9600

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2009, 02:11:49 am »
4 hours to go!

[SJ]Gooseman

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 02:34:46 am »
4 Hours? Practice one is already on. http://www.justin.tv/atomic_napalm

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2009, 02:53:45 am »
yes ive become more and more F1 addict during last couple seasons.. used to do that a lot but somehow lost interest for several seasons.. the flame is burning definitely again, enjoying F1 enormously.


Very much the same for me.  The time period where I lost interest coincided exactly with the time M. Schumacher was around.

[SJ]ski9600

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2009, 03:52:24 am »
4 Hours? Practice one is already on. http://www.justin.tv/atomic_napalm



Oops, we only get practice 2 here on the cable.  Thanks for the linky!

I guess I missed practice one though, the linky only gives dance music!!!!lol!!!!

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2009, 04:00:15 am »
4 Hours? Practice one is already on. http://www.justin.tv/atomic_napalm



Oops, we only get practice 2 here on the cable.  Thanks for the linky!

I guess I missed practice one though, the linky only gives dance music!!!!lol!!!!


Wow, I forgot what I was going to post!  This music is shaking my head!


? I guess I should've guessed by the url text.    lol
 :blue rinse:                                              moo


Now it's teh simpsons in spanish or somehting.   meh.

I guess it's Portugese, not spanish.  1 hour, 21 minutes to go!
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[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2009, 04:44:30 am »
I've been watching practice one at work on Eurosport France, excellent background action.  :)

Kimi's fastest lap was set with the medium tyre, while the rest of only used the harder tyre. This session confirms some assumptions, but it also throws up more questions. McLaren was not that slow as expected, at least Kovalainen was, so perhaps they have been sandbagging or have they found a solution to their problems?

[SJ]Andy Fuller

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2009, 07:32:40 am »
This season should be interesting, former top teams are off pace and the "diffuser" teams are dominating. Rosberg could win his first race this weekend! He has the speed, just needs to have the race. According to the commentary over here, the cars are faster this year than last by .5 seconds.

Also, I was thinking, when Vettel spun off and stalled the car, what was he doing? He spent a fair amount of time in the car, like he was trying something. If someone stalled their car with KERS on board and fully charged, and it was the type that connected to the front of the crank, couldn't it be used as a starter?

Edit:Wait, I just realized, the commentary here said that it can not be used at speeds under 100kph I think. That would mean no KERS at the very start and when stalled.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2009, 07:43:48 am »
Practice 2 times are interesting.. :)
Damnit.. its impossible to say absolutely anything at this point!

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2009, 08:22:05 am »
Practice 2 times are interesting.. :)
Damnit.. its impossible to say absolutely anything at this point!


Interesting indeed, it looks like 'the diffuser three' and Red Bull are going to fight for the first rows on the grid according to the laptimes. Looks like McLaren have not been sandbagging after all... are we going to have to see a world champion starting on the last row of the grid on sunday? :D

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2009, 01:12:05 pm »
I hope Ross Brawn sorts out a sponsor soon, the matching car and helmet livery of Jenson reminds me of the 80's  with Ben Sherman penny rounds and matching kipper tie combo  :hick:
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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2009, 06:10:41 pm »
I hope Ross Brawn sorts out a sponsor soon, the matching car and helmet livery of Jenson reminds me of the 80's  with Ben Sherman penny rounds and matching kipper tie combo  :hick:
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They have sorted one... virgin group.

[SJ]2shedz

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2009, 07:32:49 pm »
I knew Dick was in the frame but i didn't think they were announcing anything until tomorrow  :twit:
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[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2009, 07:54:47 pm »
Virgin is their second sponsor, they have already announced Henri Lloyd as sponsor.

http://www2.brawngp.com/pdf/henrilloyd.pdf

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2009, 08:35:20 pm »
Virgin is their second sponsor, they have already announced Henri Lloyd as sponsor.

http://www2.brawngp.com/pdf/henrilloyd.pdf


I think we were discussing the "big" sponsors here :)

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2009, 03:15:45 am »
The cars are so ugly this year.  I sure hope those ridiculous looking wings help make it more possible to overtake.  I'm not holding my breath though.  Are the tires smaller in diameter this year too?  The look like it, but it could be my imagination.  I hated grooved tires, so at least they're proper slicks now.

[SJ]Andy Fuller

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2009, 05:38:30 am »
I am fairly sure that these tires are the same dimensions as the old ones, just without the grooves. They did not make the fronts skinnier because all the teams were developing their 09 car off the grooved tires, so now we have super oversteer, so they would have to be the same size.

As for the look, bar renault, they are starting to look good to me-they are growing on me I guess. Not that turd of a car renault though, that thing is still butt ugly.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2009, 05:44:14 am »

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2009, 06:08:27 am »
Thanks Jarkko.  :salute:

[SJ]Simon James

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2009, 07:02:27 am »
how pleased will Brawn gp be his cars 1 , 2 on the grid fantastic just hope they can stay there for the race

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2009, 07:02:55 am »
Well well.. times a VERY close... new teams and drivers on top.. Was hoping Rosberg was bit higher in Q but 5th aint bad.. interesting start for a season..

[SJ]Simon James

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2009, 07:08:52 am »
the time are close new cars for every1 . I was hoping Rosberg would do well as well cause im hoping he well do well this year
but i think the other top teams will come forward and it will all turn around

[SJ]Sh1te R1der

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2009, 09:28:06 am »
Absolutely fantastic!
How long has it been since the season started without McLaren and Ferrari slugging it out for the top 4 places?  The performance of the Brawn Mercedes is simply the physical manifestation of the genius of Ross Brawn; he has closed out the front row with a car that had not even been tested until last week.  Williams looked very good as well, but I do not think the car is far ahead as it seemed yesterday, as they ran light fuel loads in free practice, and have been eclipsed once the other cars were running similar fuel loads.

Ferrari and McLaren are both struggling for pace, but of the two, the Ferrari is certainly the superior machine.  McLaren are nowhere, and the on-board footage clearly showed the lack of grip, with both Hamilton and Kovalainen struggling to drive out of the corners; gearbox ssues will place Hamilton at the back, which should make for some interesting footage.  The Ferrari does not look particularly settled when pushed hard, and clearly could not live with the "diffuser" cars, but should be there or thereabouts when the chequers drop. 

It should not be overlooked that Vettel's Newey designed Red Bull is right in the mix, regardless of any perceived advantage that may be obtained from the design of the other cars.  In my opinion, Newey is the most gifted car designer in F1 today, and with the Renault engine providing plenty of oomph, I fancy Vettel for both the win, and as a championship dark-horse as well.   A KERS-less Kubica also did a great job to get the BMW on the second row.

So what does everybody think about the diffuser issue; for what it's worth, I think that they will be deemed as legal, for the following reasons.  The fact that three completely separate teams have designed their cars in a similar fashion would suggest that the lawyers at Williams, Toyota and Brawn have individually interpreted the FIA regulations regarding the diffuser design in the same way.  Given that F1 is such a massive business, the lawyers employed by the teams are clearly not going to be mugs; it is possible that one team's lawyers might interpret the rules incorrectly on the odd occasion, but I think it highly unlikely that three top-ranked legal teams would make the same mistake. 

The nature of the protest by the other teams should also be considered; rather than just claiming the diffuser design is illegal, the other teams have claimed that if it is not deemed illegal, the interpretation of the rules by Williams, Brawn and Toyota goes against the "spirit" of the regulations.  As someone who spends a considerable amount of time involved in litigation, I am always pleased to see the "morality" argument trotted out, as it betrays an underlying weakness in the opposition's case.

As for the look of the cars, they look to me like early 90's throwbacks, and I love 'em!  For sure some look better than others; the colour scheme on the Williams is sympathetic to the over-sized design of the front wings, and is my current favorite.  The Ferrari side pods, leading up to the exhaust outlets, is also sex on wheels!

I LOVE F1!  :excited:   

     


[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2009, 12:21:54 pm »
It gets even better:
- Toyota's have been disqualified as they feature a flexibile rear wing
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74008
- Williams filed a complaint against Ferrari & Red Bull
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74012

The FIA has also published a list of each car's race-start weight and only Glock's Toyota (which however is DQ'd) was heavier than both Brawn's cars, while Kubica was running significant lighter.

[SJ]Sh1te R1der

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2009, 01:04:34 pm »
Some interesting developments, Kris.  Was always going to be some controversy, while the boundaries of the new regulations are explored, but this exceeds my expectations... fascinating stuff.  Toyota bang to rights, but very interested to see how the Ferrari/Red Bull matter evolves.

The FIA has also published a list of each car's race-start weight and only Glock's Toyota (which however is DQ'd) was heavier than both Brawn's cars, while Kubica was running significant lighter.

Clearly, the Brawn is a real contender, which is just what F1 needed; going to make for a superb season.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2009, 01:52:07 pm »
hehe, i wish it was tomorrow morning allready!

I think the diffusor is nothing to argue about, thumbs up for those smart enough to take full advantage of the rules, thumbs down for the crybabies who didnt think it themselves.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2009, 02:03:24 pm »
Looks like Williams have pulled their protest.. Oh and they (FIA and bridgestone) have brought on purpose tires that arent exactly optimal for the track.. to see more action!  lol

EDIT:Oh yeah... whyyyyyyyyyyyy oh why did they hire Martin Brundle? I hate him he sucks!
(one of my main irritations with the ITV coverage...)
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[SJ]Sh1te R1der

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2009, 02:53:41 pm »
Brundle I can just about live with, but I simply cannot abide Ted "Kravitz".  However, I rejoice at the fact that Louise Goodman will no longer be thrusting her elderly, baggy tits into the faces of the drivers; she always stood waaaay too close to her interviewees in my book! 

Re: the diffusers; I would imagine that all leave has been cancelled in the workshops of Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull and so on!

So, what about predictions?
Here's mine: if the Brawn's are reliable, they will win, but I reckon the lack of testing may be an issue.  I predict victory for Vettel, from Kubica and Raikkonen, although I wouldn't put money on it. Truth is, I'm outside of the normal McLaren/Ferrari comfort zone, and don't have a clue, which is great!  :dunno: :excited:

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2009, 03:04:09 pm »
I love the BBC coverage, much better than what we get here in The Netherlands (for qualy that is, we'll see tomorrow if they do the race preview better than what I'm used to too). Switched to RTL7 for a few minutes and got tired of listing to 'Olly' almost instantly.

If Brawn GP is reliable, I'm sure they can keep this form up for at least the first couple of races. I don't dare to say anything about the rest, it's so close. It can be an awesome race tomorrow.

[SJ]CasparGTL

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2009, 03:37:07 pm »
Good call, BBC it will be!

Awesome adventure start of season.
I wish Jens and Rubinho all the luck in the world.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2009, 03:40:53 pm »
Since i just read up on your ventures in the hunt for the best watchable F1 anywhere in the world i ask you this:


What time GMT does the damned race start!?    (yes.. too lazy to google it as you all know it)




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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2009, 03:46:18 pm »
I want to say 6:00am gmt. But don't hold me to it.  :innocent:

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2009, 04:44:34 pm »
Since i just read up on your ventures in the hunt for the best watchable F1 anywhere in the world i ask you this:


What time GMT does the damned race start!?    (yes.. too lazy to google it as you all know it)




Woof ~ Woof




Race start is at 8:00 CET (which is your local time eh) I think, but with the daylight saving time thing I'm not 100% sure... they should really get rid of this stupid daylight saving system.

[SJ]RockyC

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2009, 05:34:33 pm »
I want to say 6:00am gmt. But don't hold me to it.  :innocent:


I believe that is correct, Abe. About 12.5 hours from now. :)

I can't wait!!!  :excited:

[SJ]HeatCAN

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2009, 05:41:50 pm »
Wooo Woooo!!!!  F1 Season is finally here!!

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2009, 07:58:35 pm »
definitely nice to see some teams other than Ferrari and McLaren at the top of the grid.  It's even better to see the lap times so close all the way down the grid.  I'd love to see some new race winners this season.  There's some that I think deserve a win.  None more than Heidfeld.  Rosberg, Webber, and Glock next.

[SJ]Simon James

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2009, 09:11:00 pm »
Dont forget British people our clocks go forward 1 hour tonight

[SJ]DaveGardner

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2009, 10:55:09 pm »
ah crap

lose an hour again, i give up :extend:

that's me getting up before i even go to bed now then lol :cry:

should be good tomorrow, my next door neighbour works for Brawn(previously HondaRacing)GP, all he will tell me is  "Watch this space" :knockout:

what the hell that means god only knows. :tut:


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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2009, 11:51:34 pm »
Well for starters Dave, Richard Bransen, is/has anounced Virgin sponsrship and the decals have already been attached, with the promise of a full livery fit out in an Aus interview (dont know if you saw it or not) for Malaysia. Ross Brawn at the helm, with Nick Fry, mercedes power, virgin money, Button and Barachello's commitment to work and enthusiasm, I for one am very interested to see where they go and think they could well be on for a win this year.

Of note though is the starting time, adjusted for Euro TV by Bernie, holding a gun to Ron Walkers head. (Fkn prick) I have real concern about the light, or lack of it becoming a factor, and think it could be downright dangerours in the later parts of the race.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2009, 12:07:10 am »
Well for starters Dave, Richard Bransen, is/has anounced Virgin sponsrship and the decals have already been attached, with the promise of a full livery fit out in an Aus interview (dont know if you saw it or not) for Malaysia. Ross Brawn at the helm, with Nick Fry, mercedes power, virgin money, Button and Barachello's commitment to work and enthusiasm, I for one am very interested to see where they go and think they could well be on for a win this year.



yes i saw the virgin stickers.

it's a bit of a show TBH, as,even though it is called Brawn GP, it is Honda Racing's money,Virgin has only invested a small portion of money,and, i think it is still the case, Rubens and Jenson were offering to race for free to get the team up and running, i will find out more as soon as i see my neighbour.


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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2009, 04:43:31 am »
http://www.justin.tv/vipepl

Here is another link because the other one doesn't work anymore.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2009, 04:53:06 am »
That site is totally impossible to sign up to ... 'kit., I'll stick with the bbc

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2009, 04:57:28 am »
Thanks Rocky.


Pete I don't have to sign up to watch it.  :dunno:  But glad Rocky provided the link.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2009, 05:04:43 am »

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2009, 05:33:15 am »
Heres better one, with good image quality. :)

1. http://www.docoja.com/blue/index.php (its http proxy)
2. Type in the search field "http://tvcatchup.com/"
3. click "BECOME A BETA TESTER"
4. Log in and choose to watch BBC1... tada.. F1 race live with decent image.

:)

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2009, 06:08:50 am »
Thanks Jarkko, you are my hero.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2009, 06:18:23 am »
lol barrichello is such a wrecker..

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2009, 07:41:59 am »
That was a great race.  The ending was a good laugh.  I don't "have a team, or driver".  But I enjoyed the hell out of it.  :)

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2009, 07:50:38 am »
Absolutely 'kin brilliant!  What an interesting race  :excited:

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2009, 07:53:14 am »
Wow!!! Just awesome!!! :D :excited: :D :excited: :D :excited: :D

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2009, 08:01:39 am »
I can imagine Sh!te hitting the red button multiple times on his remote now... only to find out it's hit "off" button to the Tv


Also had a good laugh as one of the renaults went off, thinking someone would just say "we can do without that ugly one"


Great race actually, first time in years i've watched for the complete distance, thanks for the linky Jarkko, yer a lifesaver m8ey!



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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2009, 08:02:13 am »
 :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :funk:

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2009, 08:10:09 am »
Entertaining race for sure. Really a shame about the Vettel - Kubica incident, both deserved a podium finish.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2009, 08:59:02 am »
I'm not sure what to think of the big difference in tyre compounds. The middle of the race appears to suffer under those who haven't run on softs yet being completely filled up to wait as long as possible with changing tyres. It does bring some excitement to the end though, if they manage to stay out of each other's sidepods.  :tut:

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2009, 09:13:56 am »
I can not think of a better way of starting off the season. Brawn GP should have a very bright future.

Also, the passing did seem quiet a bit easier. People were passing left and right, and there was alot less of a struggle when they were nose to tail. I think the new regulations have worked-but lets see in the next few races how it all happens to work out.


Also, we didn't need that ugly car.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2009, 09:34:09 am »
Was enjoyable for sure.. Im happy for Button! One of the guys i support fully!
Also looks very good for my F1 manager.
:)

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2009, 10:20:24 am »
what a fantastic race for Brawn gp a 1 2 for the team in there first outing and 4 weeks ago they thought they had no job
Vettel - Kubica none of them was going to give them any room
but i cant see Brawn GP staying at the front i can the other teams emproving alot not straight away but it was nice to see other teams battling for the lead
 

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2009, 11:38:04 am »
And thus it begins..  :tut: Vettel has been given a 10 place grid penalty for next week, for causing an avoidable collision. Like you can do anything when braking on worn tires and bumps outside of the racing line.

I do understand Trulli's 25 second penalty though, he apparently went off track during the safety car and retook his position.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #61 on: March 29, 2009, 11:44:59 am »
Well , overall a good race!!
Great to see Button getting the win, he's always had a tough time in F1.....

Worth getting up early for!! :D

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2009, 12:03:25 pm »
 :salute: Dave the scriber

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2009, 12:58:19 pm »
Great post Dave  :salute:

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2009, 04:28:05 pm »
Vettel showed a lot of maturity today, right up until he threw it away in the closing stages.  But there can be no doubt that he is a hot property, as is the Red Bull Ferrari, which like the Brawn Mercedes, overshadowed the factory team today.  However, he will struggle to overcome the 10-place grid penalty he has received for the next race.

Isn't it Red Bull Racing Renault? lol Sorry to point that out Dave in your nice post. :)

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« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2009, 05:38:21 pm »
Indeed it is Rockstar... seems I don't know a Red Bull from a... er... Toro Rossa  :rotfl:  In which case, the works Renault team also suffered the same fate as both McLaren, and Ferrari.  Crazy stuff!

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2009, 03:32:01 am »
well, heres what i saw:

The Brawn cars will be a power house early this season, i hope they have the funding to keep pushing the development to have a chance in the end of the season. The McLarens (at least Hamilton's) were way off pace but through good strategy and some luck had a good results. Williams still has no clue about this strategy thing as proved with Rosberg today, it's too bad for him the team doesn't get it. Toyota is very good this year, but they should be by now. Pique Jr. proved again that he doesn't belong in Formula 1. he should finally be gone soon. Kubica and Vettle proved they are both future front runners, the new youth of F1, it's a shame their races ended like that. It wasn't all Vettles fault, Kubica did force him on to the inside curb.

all that said, it should be a great year.

PS. Kers is retarded!!!

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2009, 06:03:15 am »
Great race  :excited: great result for Brawn GP  :excited: but you have to feel for the 270 members of staff at Brawn that received redundancy letters this morning   :(
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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2009, 06:17:28 am »
well, heres what i saw:

The Brawn cars will be a power house early this season, i hope they have the funding to keep pushing the development to have a chance in the end of the season. The McLarens (at least Hamilton's) were way off pace but through good strategy and some luck had a good results. Williams still has no clue about this strategy thing as proved with Rosberg today, it's too bad for him the team doesn't get it. Toyota is very good this year, but they should be by now. Pique Jr. proved again that he doesn't belong in Formula 1. he should finally be gone soon. Kubica and Vettle proved they are both future front runners, the new youth of F1, it's a shame their races ended like that. It wasn't all Vettles fault, Kubica did force him on to the inside curb.

all that said, it should be a great year.

PS. Kers is retarded!!!


well said Dave.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2009, 06:35:16 am »
I think Kers is great.. especially the fact that only some use it. Give plenty more action for sure.

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« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2009, 11:57:01 am »
I think Kers is great.. especially the fact that only some use it. Give plenty more action for sure.

I couldn't agree more! A fine addition, making for additional strategy, particularly at tracks like Monza, where you may see 2 lead changes per lap, as drivers initiate KERS at different points on the track. 

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2009, 02:51:24 pm »
They way I saw it about KERS was that the teams who didn't have it didn't need it and the teams who did have it did need it.  :rotfl:
And I don't this is a coincidence either, but of course not everyone was like this. 

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2009, 05:06:58 pm »
It was a good race overall I must say,considering the the car design leaves me a little cold. It looks more like a pikes peak hill climbing mobile anyway its great to see a team like Brawn with his knowledge of the game and now Branson on board they will be a force to be reconed with. But these new cars dont look easy to drive in fact the look a little unstable so I think there will be lots of tweaking going on throughout the season. I thought this season was supposed to be a more equal playing feild to make it more economical for car owners etc. but they are constantly changing car specs and design every season making teams spend more money in these hard economical times we are in.Thats F1 in a nutshell the cream of the racing industry its the Gucci of motor racing. For what its worth everyone should have KERS or none of them ,equality or unfare advantage my opinion only. But I think in the end the drivers will make the difference they always do thats why we like F1 its not just the cars and the owners, the drivers make them go around. It should be a very good season and interesting.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #74 on: April 01, 2009, 09:30:34 pm »
Looks like Hamilton could be facing some sort of penalty.. because he directly lied in the hearing of the Trullis pass... He said that team didnt tell him to let Trulli by, and he was slow at that time because he was concentrated in the information on his display.. lol stupid twat.
The radio traffic is public and the investigators found out team ordered very clearly Hamilton to let Trulli by.. so complete opposite of what he said in the hearing.. why try to hide the truth in the first place? Only to get penalty to someone.. It should bite him back properly.. DQ thank you.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #75 on: April 02, 2009, 07:10:52 am »
Although a bit harsh, if he did lie, a DQ is the only way I can see fit. Lying to the FIA about what happened is the same as cheating and would make him look very untrustworthy. This is something that could haunt him with the FIA in the future if he is called for more hearings on other things-they will always have doubt in what he is saying.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #76 on: April 02, 2009, 09:37:22 am »
Well, its official now.. Hamilton Disqualified.. And Trulli got back his 3rd position!

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A statement issued by the stewards said: "The Stewards having considered the new elements presented to them from the 2009 Australian Formula One Grand Prix, consider that driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes acted in a manner prejudicial to the conduct of the event by providing evidence deliberately misleading to the Stewards at the hearing on Sunday 29th March 2009, a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code.

"Under Article 158 of the International Sporting Code the driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes are excluded from the race classification for the 2009 Australian Grand Prix and the classification is amended accordingly."


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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #77 on: April 02, 2009, 09:53:50 am »
lol Nice one, Lewis just had to be happy with 4th which was already a very good result with the McLaren. I really didn't thought the FIA would dare to make this move.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #78 on: April 02, 2009, 02:02:27 pm »
I think they had to do it tbh.. to make a good example what happens if you lie and try to effect stewards decision that way.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #79 on: April 02, 2009, 02:57:55 pm »
Well, it just wouldn't be F1 without a little bit of this and that, would it? :rotfl: I don't believe it was as clear-cut as has been suggested, and would place more blame at McLaren's door, rather than on Hamilton; let's not kid ourselves to think that he had not been fully briefed by one of McLaren's legal team, prior to going to the stewards meeting.  However, I do believe that there should be a penalty for the conduct of McLaren, although I think it is certainly harsh; but then, I thought Trulli's penalty was harsh in the first place, so perhaps justice has been done.  Is a pity, because Hamilton's drive was scintillating (as was Trulli's), and it is now all for nothing.

 


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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #80 on: April 02, 2009, 06:53:29 pm »
I don't believe it was as clear-cut as has been suggested
 


Whats not clear to you m8? They asked from Hamilton did he deliberately let Trulli pass, he said no. Radio traffic clearly proves that he did..
So he put the blame on Trulli, instead of admitting he let Trulli by.. pretty clear imo.
lol

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #81 on: April 02, 2009, 06:57:02 pm »

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #82 on: April 04, 2009, 03:03:46 pm »
I don't believe it was as clear-cut as has been suggested
 


Whats not clear to you m8? They asked from Hamilton did he deliberately let Trulli pass, he said no. Radio traffic clearly proves that he did..
So he put the blame on Trulli, instead of admitting he let Trulli by.. pretty clear imo.
lol

Sorry... didn't see this until now.  As I said in my post, my instinct was that this sorry affair was initiated by the team, and not by Hamilton.  This has been borne out by subsequent developments, and we were treated to the unusual sight of contrition by Hamilton, and dare I suggest humility!  The Mclaren official who took the fall was clearly a patsy IMO, and I reckon that the order to deny the conversation came from the very top (Whitmarsh?).  I do not consider that Hamilton had any say in the matter, and was simply ordered to sing from the same hymn-sheet.

As for the basis of the decision not to come clean; I cannot understand why they didn't just admit the fact that Hamilton allowed Trulli to re-pass, particularly as he had said as much to the BBC before heading off to the stewards office.  Having read the transcript of the conversation, it is clear that there was a discussion as to the legality of the pass; in my opinion, this is due to the problems encountered after Spa last year, and McLaren are perhaps a little paranoid.  McLaren stated that they were on the blower to the race director, and that Hamilton should allow Trulli to re-pass, although Hamilton clearly did not agree with this interpretation. 

McLaren had a ready-made excuse for slowing to allow Trulli to pass, in that they were unable to obtain a definitive judgement on the legality of the overtake, and therefore wanted to protect their 4th place, with a view to arguing the case after the race.  Why they did not argue this in the stewards room is a mystery to me, as if they had, bearing in mind the race effectively finished under the safety car, Hamilton and Trulli's positions could have been reversed, assuming that the stewards accepted Trulli was not given a choice other than to pass Hamilton.

It has not been McLaren's finest hour; however, I would argue that Hamilton's unreserved apology represents the finest off-track moment of his career.  I am sure people would argue that he could have blown the whistle, but under pressure form the team, I do not think he had a choice.  Let us not forget that, whether we like it or not, cheating is all part of the game of F1, and many times teams and drivers have been found-out.  Consider the issue of Ferrari's extending front-wing of a few seasons ago; it had clearly been engineered to extend, totally contrary to the rules.  The antics of Schumacher, attempting to drive Villeneuve off track, or blocking the Monaco track at the end of qualifying are just two further examples of teams and drivers trying to cheat an advantage.

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #83 on: April 04, 2009, 03:48:35 pm »
Hamilton pissed me off last year when he compared himself to Schumaker, the arrogant little shit, but i stand corrected, he is like  Schumaker, not adverse to a little cheating
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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #84 on: April 04, 2009, 04:10:48 pm »
I got my channel card one hour before Qualify.. then shoved the card in.. searched for new channels and waited if it will work in time.. it didnt... i waited.. waited more.. then was the rerun.. still didnt work.. then i took the card out and put it in the other way this time and it tadaa.. it worked..
lol

Im usually decently technically able.. what a brainfart eh?
On my defence, it kinda goes in "the wrong way".. the chip facing down so thats why i didnt even think it could be wrong at first..

Well.. gonna see F1 live from now on.. from the TV... without any trouble!
woot!

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Re: Formula 1 2009 Melbourne
« Reply #85 on: April 04, 2009, 05:08:43 pm »
I don't believe it was as clear-cut as has been suggested
 


Whats not clear to you m8? They asked from Hamilton did he deliberately let Trulli pass, he said no. Radio traffic clearly proves that he did..
So he put the blame on Trulli, instead of admitting he let Trulli by.. pretty clear imo.
lol

Sorry... didn't see this until now.  As I said in my post, my instinct was that this sorry affair was initiated by the team, and not by Hamilton.  This has been borne out by subsequent developments, and we were treated to the unusual sight of contrition by Hamilton, and dare I suggest humility!  The Mclaren official who took the fall was clearly a patsy IMO, and I reckon that the order to deny the conversation came from the very top (Whitmarsh?).  I do not consider that Hamilton had any say in the matter, and was simply ordered to sing from the same hymn-sheet.

As for the basis of the decision not to come clean; I cannot understand why they didn't just admit the fact that Hamilton allowed Trulli to re-pass, particularly as he had said as much to the BBC before heading off to the stewards office.  Having read the transcript of the conversation, it is clear that there was a discussion as to the legality of the pass; in my opinion, this is due to the problems encountered after Spa last year, and McLaren are perhaps a little paranoid.  McLaren stated that they were on the blower to the race director, and that Hamilton should allow Trulli to re-pass, although Hamilton clearly did not agree with this interpretation. 

McLaren had a ready-made excuse for slowing to allow Trulli to pass, in that they were unable to obtain a definitive judgement on the legality of the overtake, and therefore wanted to protect their 4th place, with a view to arguing the case after the race.  Why they did not argue this in the stewards room is a mystery to me, as if they had, bearing in mind the race effectively finished under the safety car, Hamilton and Trulli's positions could have been reversed, assuming that the stewards accepted Trulli was not given a choice other than to pass Hamilton.

It has not been McLaren's finest hour; however, I would argue that Hamilton's unreserved apology represents the finest off-track moment of his career.  I am sure people would argue that he could have blown the whistle, but under pressure form the team, I do not think he had a choice.  Let us not forget that, whether we like it or not, cheating is all part of the game of F1, and many times teams and drivers have been found-out.  Consider the issue of Ferrari's extending front-wing of a few seasons ago; it had clearly been engineered to extend, totally contrary to the rules.  The antics of Schumacher, attempting to drive Villeneuve off track, or blocking the Monaco track at the end of qualifying are just two further examples of teams and drivers trying to cheat an advantage.


The season is open!   lol chocks away  lol chocks away  lol

Have fun debating guys! Can't wait for the post race versions.  :hats off: