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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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F1 @ Hungary
« on: July 24, 2009, 05:56:03 am »
Well well.. interesting F1 weekend.. fresh noob joining in.. Several teams have plenty improved cars.. few drivers feel the pressure heavily on them... cant wait again!

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 06:20:31 am »
Yes, should be interesting :)

I wonder if Räikkönen realizes how stupid he looks with his hat like that.  It's not hard to put a slight curve in the brim.

[SJ]Fleischi

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 06:59:38 am »
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: maybe to much ice :?: :hmm: :hmm: lol

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 07:00:33 am »
Yes, should be interesting :)

I wonder if Räikkönen realizes how stupid he looks with his hat like that.  It's not hard to put a slight curve in the brim.


If you ask me, a baseball cap dont belong to grown mans head anyway (always looks bit silly) ;)

One hour until first free practice..

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 08:19:07 am »
If you ask me, a baseball cap dont belong to grown mans head anyway (always looks bit silly) ;)


Jarkks, if you were to stand for election in the UK I would vote for you in an instant. I wouldn't care what your other policies were... which is a bit of a risk I admit, but one I'm willing to take. :salute: :)

[SJ]Gooseman

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 09:53:49 am »
Its the in thing right now. Personally I don't think it looks all that bad. I'd buy that exact hat and wear it like that if I could find one ;).

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2009, 10:09:03 am »
Well.. rookie didnt do that bad.

[SJ]Mozza

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2009, 10:23:34 am »
I wonder if Räikkönen realizes how stupid he looks with his hat like that.  It's not hard to put a slight curve in the brim.


That's cos he's from the Wes' side yo!

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[SJ]Grimwart

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2009, 02:48:45 pm »
Interesting qualifying yet again :) Frightening to watch the incar camera view of Massa's incident, especially after last weekends tragic accident :o Initial reports suggest he is okay thankfully, though probably won't be able to race tommorow.
Formula 1 2009 Felipe Massa Hungary Terrible Incident, Hit on head by metal piece

Utter confusion at the end of qualifying as all the timing went offline and none of the drivers knew the other times. When Alonso told Button his pole laptime, not realising he was on camera Jenson replied out of his helmet with a muffled "F***ING HELL!!!" :rotfl: Fantastic result, never known such an unpredicatable season :dunno:
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[SJ]CasparGTL

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 04:26:28 pm »
oof, thak God Felipe is alive!

And that Alonso bloke, great!

[SJ]TheChamp

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2009, 04:40:13 pm »
Fortunately he 'just' has a concussion and a fractured skull(can't be more precise as GPupdate.net is acting horrible ever since qualy this afternoon).

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2009, 04:50:40 pm »
i hope not, but it could be quite serious. brain concussion (remember Richard Hammond?)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77276

[SJ]TheChamp

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2009, 07:08:38 pm »
He's successfully made it through surgery. Apparently he also suffered a bleeding in his brain.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2009, 08:04:56 am »
There are some mixed reports about his current situation.. apparently from the hospital someone has commented he is still in life threat, but Ferrari denys this.
Ferrari might also pull Kimi Räikkönen from the race, which would be a mistake imo. Someone having an accident doesnt stop the world from spinning,
and Ferrari should concentrate on their season.. Theres nothing they can do to help Massa atm anyway.. but they have plenty to think who will replace Massa
as its likely he will miss some races.. He was very unlucky, but also lucky at the same time.. a 1kg spring penetrating helmet at 260km/h, then head on to the wall at 190km/h and the guy is alive..
for now anyway. Hopefully all goes good.. we dont need another motorsport death.

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2009, 10:57:23 am »
Yeah, it's a very unlucky incident, but whether Kimi or Rubens participate in the race or not is not going to help Massa. Report about his condition are a bit mixed, but I guess (and hope) he'll survive.


[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2009, 04:55:28 pm »
Whoa.. Alonso wont be racing in Valencia.. in fact whole Renault team wont be there.. as they were suspended from the next GP.. because of the loose tire hassle.
Kimi got no penaly, which is correct.. It was absolutely ridiculout how Webber got his drivethrough in the previous race.

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2009, 04:56:56 pm »
Some season eh? Anything goes!  :)

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 06:02:22 pm »
Damn, that's harsh.  I think a big fine would be more appropriate for Renault.

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2009, 06:28:53 pm »
in light of what they knew had happened to Massa and Surtees earlier. i think they got off very lightly.
The statement said that Renault "knowingly released car no. 7 from the pitstop position without one of the retaining devices for the wheel-nuts being securely in position, this being an indication that the wheel itself may not have been properly secured."

It added that Renault, "being aware of this, failed to take any action to prevent the car from leaving the pitlane....failed to inform the driver of this problem or to advise him to take appropriate action given the circumstances, even though the driver contacted the team by radio believing he had a puncture."

very poor show from Renault!

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2009, 07:56:29 pm »
Indeed, it was pretty clear what had happened with in the pits and they just wanted that Alonso reached the pits again. Correct punishment imo.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2009, 09:15:46 pm »
Well, considering how dangerous a loose tire bouncing around is, i kinda agree that its the correct action.. tough punishment.. but im not sure..
maybe its not the best way to punish both drivers too.. Alonso didnt even know what was wrong... So taking team scores from the next race,
and a very large financial penalty propably would have been more fair for the drivers pov.

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2009, 09:46:23 pm »
well i can understand NP feeling hard done by but not Alonso. it was obvious after he lost the wheel cover that he was going to lose the wheel too. he chose to continue driving regardless.  :dunno: i probably would have in his shoes too. but it was a bad decision.

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2009, 06:08:55 am »
Where do I apply for the guy's job who was responsible for the loose tire?

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2009, 02:04:16 pm »
Little update about Felipe Massa, seems career and even life is still at stake.. eye and brain not that great.
Quote from: autosport
Doctors say it is too early to judge whether Felipe Massa will race again after it was revealed on Monday that the Brazilian suffered damage to his left eye in his Hungarian Grand Prix crash.

Massa is still in hospital recovering from a skull fracture and concussion after he was hit in the face by a spring from Rubens Barrichello's car.

Local media quoted the hospital's professor Robert Veres from Budapest as saying that the eye injury could be enough to end Massa's F1 career.

"He has suffered some damage to the eye," said Veres. "We don't know whether he'll be able to race again."

The AEK hospital in Budapest is scheduled to hold a press conference this evening to update the media on Massa's injuries.

The spring struck Massa just above his left eye, smashing his helmet and fracturing his skull.

Doctors also confirmed on Monday that the operation that was conducted on Saturday afternoon saved Massa's life.

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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2009, 04:55:59 pm »
Ferrari are considering Schumacher to replace Massa for the rest of the season.. (at least they didnt say no anymore, but "it would be wrong to say yes or no at this point, it will be under consideration during the week")

[SJ]HeatCAN

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2009, 06:11:14 pm »
WoW.  I'm sure glad Massa's life has been saved.  It will be a great loss if he cannot race again.

[SJ]JuneBug

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2009, 08:57:05 pm »
I don't think Massa will ever run in F1 again after that incident and I think that F1 suspended Alonso's team to make a point since that young kid lost his life in F2...

Thank goodness Massa is in stable condition and aware of his surroundings, that's a big wallop on the noggin...

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2009, 08:58:30 pm »
We have seen some pretty amazing comebacks, so its early to say about his career at this point me thinks.

[SJ]JuneBug

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2009, 09:07:05 pm »
Well I agree with you but I did read that the Massa's family doctor has announced Massa will be out for the rest of this year. I like Massa so I can only hope they are all full of it  ;)

[SJ]Minorshunt

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2009, 01:13:46 am »
Brazil breathes a collective sigh of relief that Massa will be ok. I know life is weird, but the fact both drivers involved are from Sao Paulo in such a freak incident? It just boggles the mind.  :(

That Massa is still alive is a testament to just how good today's safety equipment and emergency medical care really is. If this happened 10 years ago, I don't know that he would have survived. I really hope he makes it back in the cockpit. But more importantly I hope he has a long and happy life with his soon to be born child.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2009, 08:16:54 am »
In fact if it happened last year he propably wouldnt have survived, new stronger helmet this year. :)

[SJ]TheChamp

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2009, 09:00:52 am »
That they're both from Sao Paolo doesn't say much, as there are plenty of racing drivers from that area. The fact that two strikingly similar accidents (which involve a lot of bad luck) happen within a week is what makes this awkward to me. I hope the FIA doesn't go mad with safety and comes up with a closed cockpit for all open wheelers..

[SJ]RockyC

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2009, 05:44:15 am »
Hey, this is a perfect opportunity for Alonso to start driving at Ferrari now! :rotfl:

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2009, 03:13:18 pm »
At first it was rumored that M. Schumacher would race, but it's very doubtful imo. Now with the speedy recovery of Massa and with the next race being 4 weeks away, there's a small chance Massa himself could race  :hmm:

[SJ]Milan Milicevic

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2009, 03:26:59 pm »
imo Massa would be out for the rest of the season :(

Schumy's manager says: "Whoever sits in the car at the next race in Valencia, it will not be Michael Schumacher. I am not 100 per cent sure; I am 200 per cent sure."


Current Le Mans winner Marc Gene would be a reasonable substitution then?
he is Ferrari tester last 5 years and he is Spaniard, good for Valencia.


 
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[SJ]Milan Milicevic

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2009, 05:17:20 pm »
Seems like Im wrong :)

Schummy is back

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77418

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2009, 05:50:37 pm »
heh looks like his manager was 200% wrong  lol

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2009, 05:52:26 pm »
Not very sure this is a good move by Michael, but it's interesting for sure. (It's a bit comparable to what Armstrong did)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2009, 06:06:25 pm »
Nice... Schumacher back on track!  :excited:

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2009, 06:39:31 pm »
Why do I worry he's going to end up badly hurt?

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2009, 06:41:48 pm »
Why do I worry he's going to end up badly hurt?


You dont rate Schumacher like a normal guy me thinks, I wouldnt be at all surprised if he actually shows some reasonable speed..
Physical condition might make the races tiny bit hard though.. we will see.. its amazingly hard to speculate on a subject called M.Schumacher.

[SJ]DRokK

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2009, 06:43:52 pm »
If he didnt think he can go fast he wouldnt be doing it. It will be nice to see his lap times compared to Kimis

[SJ]Milan Milicevic

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2009, 06:59:53 pm »
It will be his first official F1 race on slick tyres since ... ehrmm :) famous Jerez 1997.

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2009, 07:02:04 pm »
Nice! It's actually not a bad idea for Ferrari and Massa to put Schumi in the car. They won't have to worry about Schumi threatening Massa's ride in the future.

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2009, 07:54:02 pm »
Nice! It's actually not a bad idea for Ferrari and Massa to put Schumi in the car. They won't have to worry about Schumi threatening Massa's ride in the future.


 :yes:
He already said that he only drives until Felipe returns...not sure if his little comeback is a good thing for Schumi...
He will have no chance at Valencia...he hasn`t driven the 2009 Ferrari so far, he doesn`t know the Valencia track and he is not allowed to have practice-drives...

Not a good combination to be a successful replacement...but i hope he will do well, otherwise it will destroy a bit his reputation...

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2009, 10:12:20 pm »
He will have no chance at Valencia...he hasn`t driven the 2009 Ferrari so far, he doesn`t know the Valencia track and he is not allowed to have practice-drives...

Not a good combination to be a successful replacement...but i hope he will do well, otherwise it will destroy a bit his reputation...

 :dunno:

Sorry, I don't agree Frank. Look at Jaime Alguersuari in Hungary. Only a couple of straight line tests in the STR before taking to the track. He kept his nose clean in the race and even finished better than his teammate. I think Michael will do very well. Also, I don't think he would be doing if he didn't think he could do well.

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2009, 02:39:34 pm »
For the Spa F1 race promotors this is very good news, they are selling a ticket each minute since it is announced that Schumacher will race  :)

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2009, 02:47:27 pm »
Oh yes, this sells!  :o

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2009, 05:55:19 pm »
We should still see that the words are only:

Michael prepares himself so that he can race... :hmm:

reading between the lines it could also mean: there`s still an option that Massa could be fit til Valencia...or do they know more about Massas recovery, what they don`t tell us??

After reading all progresses of his health we could expect seeing him again driving this year...but i still can`t believe it...

In the german news they say, Michael is practicing in the simulator and he will have a private test in an non actual F1 Ferrari to acclimate with the g-forces again..´.
I´m pretty sure they will give him a Ferrari that has the same aerodynamic-grip as the F60 from 2009...I´m also pretty sure the car will be on slick tyres...

But there is still a question about Michaels health...he still has problems with his neck after a motobike-crash early this year...

All stays interesting...and yes...the news are full of Michaels comeback and the germans (maybe the italians also) are getting crazy about it...

I realy hope he`ll do well..if he realy drives... :?:

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2009, 06:35:11 pm »
I bet he would very much like the race Spa and Monza, two legendary tracks  :)

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2009, 10:08:36 pm »
If he didnt think he can go fast he wouldnt be doing it. It will be nice to see his lap times compared to Kimis


yes, but how pissed off will kimi be if schumi is faster than him in his first time in the car,on slciks with no traction control and no launch control. can't wait, whatever people say about schumi, i like him, he's an A1 driver.

Dave

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2009, 12:01:15 am »
Schumacher has always struck me as being the modern day Blue Max.... aristoctratic, hateful in some respects, but totally at home with his machine... without mercy.
It's a little like Rocky VII, tickets will sell like hot cakes to see if the old gladiator can whip the young pretenders :)

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2009, 01:17:22 am »
What drama to keep us all interested over the summer break.  They said the shops are actually padlocked for two weeks, and the two more weeks till the next race.

Had to be Bernie's idea, Max isn't that creative.

/and tell me how Michael hasn't turned a wheel in the F1~2999 at Fiorano again, I lol 'd at that!   :excited:



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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2009, 11:07:52 am »
 :?:
Massa obviously said, he will (wants to) drive in Valencia... :o

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[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2009, 12:20:55 pm »
Well, he is out from the hospital on monday and apparently doesnt need any special care anymore.. but its still bit unlikely that Massa would make such quick comeback.

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2009, 03:59:16 pm »
No official statement by Renault yet, but I guess we'll have another rookie in Valencia.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/08/03/furious-piquet-renault-wants-to-ditch-me/

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2009, 04:50:19 pm »
He sure is speaking his mind, good for him. (would YOU buy a carpet from Flavio?....)
I never was impressed by his drive in F1 but I also know NOTHING about fair chances given and such.
Good luck Nelson.  :hats off:

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2009, 05:07:51 pm »
In all honesty.. in 2 seasons Nelson did nothing but unimpress all the time.. team wants their both drivers to bring points..
enough said.

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2009, 05:46:03 pm »
Yeah, guess you're right.

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #59 on: August 03, 2009, 09:04:45 pm »
Alonso wanted a crap team mate that wouldn't be faster than him they way Hamilton was at McLaren.  I think that's the reason Renault dropped Kovalainen and picked up Piquet Jr.  I think Piquet Jr has done exactly what Alonso wanted.
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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2009, 09:09:31 pm »
Alonso wanted a crap team mate that wouldn't be faster than him they way Hamilton was at McLaren.  I think that's the reason Renault dropped Kovalainen and picked up Piquet Jr.  I think Piquet Jr has done exactly what Alsonso wanted.


Thats pure speculation and assumptions imo..  :)

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2009, 09:31:25 pm »
Hey, on WindTunnel last night, they said that the consipracy was that FIA (controlled by Ferrari) had only put the penalty on Alonso so that he could fill in for Massa should the need arise.  Arise it did, but Schumacher said yes, so Renault will win the appeal.

You heard it here first, or second or something...


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[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2009, 11:58:37 pm »
Alonso wanted a crap team mate that wouldn't be faster than him they way Hamilton was at McLaren.  I think that's the reason Renault dropped Kovalainen and picked up Piquet Jr.  I think Piquet Jr has done exactly what Alsonso wanted.


What's the difference between having Kovalainen or Piquet Jr as teammate for Alonso...

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #63 on: August 04, 2009, 01:29:56 am »
What's the difference between having Kovalainen or Piquet Jr as teammate for Alonso...


Kovalainen is probably a bit quicker.

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2009, 01:36:28 am »
What's the difference between having Kovalainen or Piquet Jr as teammate for Alonso...


Kovalainen is probably a bit quicker.


A bit probably, but certainly not enough to unsettle Alonso.

I wonder who'll be Alonso's teammate for the remainder of the season

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2009, 04:35:42 am »
The rumors say Romain Grosjean from GP2 will be considered.

I wonder if Piquet Sr. making noise about buying Sauber had influence on the Renault decision? 

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2009, 04:58:41 am »
Hah, daddy is going to buy his kid a ride for life! Also I think Kovalainen is a good deal faster than Piquet, I think the only reason why he dose not give Hamilton a run for his money more is because McLaren is Hamiltons team, he always gets the newest parts first, and last season he got the favored strategy. I do not think he is as fast as Hamilton, but far more closer than has been shown, and that would have been a problem for Alonso if he were his teammate.

Nothing factual, just my $.02

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Re: F1 @ Hungary
« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2009, 09:40:36 am »
That's exactly the same 'excuse' as Piquet jr uses, Andy.  :)