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[SJ]RockyC

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Season 7 is around the calender
« on: December 15, 2008, 06:21:21 am »
Well, with 1 race left it is time to discuss next season in the greatly improving NASJ GTL series. This season has been great with 15+ drivers every round. It gives me great pleasure to head up this series and I look forward to improving it with the help and insight of everyone participating.

First off, I'd like to keep with the same format for the schedule. About 10 rounds with half in a pre-selected car and the other half with various combos of cars and tracks. This season we will use the GTC-65 class for the 5 single race 60 minute rounds. The other 5 rounds will have two 20 minute races in each with car and track combos selected by all of us. I'd also like to add more North American tracks to the schedule since this is a North American league. None of this is set in stone, just my ideas and suggestions.

Some other details:

Race start time: 1) stay the same with 8pm pacific/11pm eastern, 2) change to 30 minutes earlier, 3) other, please suggest

Fuel usage/tire wear: 1) stay with 2x and 2x, 2) 2x fuel 1x tire, 3) 1x tire 1 fuel, 4) other, please suggest

GTC-65 cars: 1) all cars, 2) no GT40, 3) slower cars, 4) other, please suggest

Any other options you'd like to be discuss please suggest. Also, please suggest tracks and cars you would like to use for this season.

We will probably start the next season at the end of January to try to get the NASJ GTR2 series back on the time frame as with this series.

Thank you!

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2008, 06:51:05 am »
Sounds good.  I'm happy with the format we've been running this season, and I like the idea of moving to the GTC-65 cars.  More NA tracks is a good idea too.

One car/track suggestion I'd like to make is a race at Le Mans 77 or 79 with GTC-76 cars.  Maybe an endurance race for the finale or something.

[SJ]mr.peabody

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2008, 05:37:51 pm »
1:lime rock please.
2: slower cars-or combos of undriven cars (Escort vs. slow Capri for example)

3: I'd vote for NO pit  stop races-nothing sucks worse that having a good 1/2 race then coming in + hitting the wrong button and Xing out or something stupid.

[SJ]fastaff

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2008, 10:03:35 pm »
Track choice for me would be HFS Valley its a fantasy track but has lots of elevation changes looks like it could be in U.S.
Car choice for that track might be Cuda's etc. Its a fun track to drive try it
the cuda's are fun as are the other muscle cars there.
As far as single race pit/stops I think 1xfuel 1xtires could work fine.
In other words 1 mandatory stop. Happy Holidays everyone thx for the fun.
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[SJ]Smak DeWahl

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2008, 12:30:04 am »
The league format & start time we have been running is fine by me.

I think GTC-65 no GT-40. That would leave 12 cars @ 3 drivers per.

Running all NA tracks this time would be cool. Looked back a few seasons to see where we've run to get a idea of some not run in a while & new ones:

Daytona RC (Maybe the season end endurance here)
Hilltop (A made up track set in Ohio, but the Alfatina we ran there was fun.)
Infineon-Sear's Point
Laguna Seca
Lime Rock
Mid America
Portland 70
Riverside 70
Talladega RC
Trois Rivieres

Just trowing ideas out & my 2 cents! :biggrin:  Each season has been better & better! Looking forward to more fun races!. Thanx for the hard work! thumbs up :hats off:



[SJ]RockyC

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 06:20:43 am »
Thanks for the input guys!

One car/track suggestion I'd like to make is a race at Le Mans 77 or 79 with GTC-76 cars.  Maybe an endurance race for the finale or something.

Great idea, but I think we will use this for season 8. :)
@peabody-we have run the slower capri and pantera before, but maybe we will give that another go. :)
@fastaff-i don't see the cuda a nogrip anymore, which tells me that it may not be legal. but I would like to use some muscle cars. :)
@smak-thank for the track list, we'll definitely use some of those. :)

[SJ]fastaff

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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 06:34:32 am »
Yes Rocky your right I guess they took the Cuda's down ,they just love to ruin peoples fun if they can. Oh well there are other muscle cars to choose from ,but the cuda is a blast to drive.Its all ok with me whatever we run will be good. Thx for letting us give some input.

[SJ]mixfloors

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2008, 07:04:47 am »
For what little I did, the format was great, perhaps adding a few short tracks would tighten up the racing as well adding more traffic to contend with etc, but that may not be popular, but it does add an element of excitment to the racing as well.

Personally I like fuel stops as they add an element of strategy, I would vote for keeping them in.

[SJ]mixfloors

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2008, 05:22:37 am »
With a quiet chrismas day I D/L some tracks from No Grip in order to see if I could add to some of your selections. Being mindfull of the fact that you would be looking for a balance of tracks for the TC 65 cars.

I started with some local tracks.
In Sydney,
Warwick farm was one of the best tracks in the country and alot of the origonal tarmac still exists today on the inside of the horse racing track. A real technical track to get right and be fast.

Catalina is a bit further west in the blue mountains and is gone now but was a very dangerous track in its day, and very hard to drive, of particular note if the wooden gaurd rails at parts of the track... and the cigarette add that says Craven A wont hurt your throat,   :tut: on the track

Lakeside is in Queensland and not far from where I grew up and a great track for these cars, in my "missspent" youth I watched many a race with mustangs and cortinas being hounded by mini's around this little track. This version doesnt have the precise elevation changes that the real one does but its great for racing and pretty close to the real track that still is used for club events today, although it exists in a very poor state.

Phillip Island hosted the Armstrong 500 which was eventually transfered to Bathurst. The track fell into dissrepair for 30 odd years until it was refurbished into the track it is today and hosts our round of Moto GP. Its layout is the same and is a fast and flowing circuit and worth a look for a round.

On the international front
Castle combe (no chichane) is wide and fast and could be good for the larger cars

LochRannoch (using the short layout of which there are 4 in the D/L) would also be the same with long fast straights where the bigger cars could be quite fast. And it has 2 small crests where the cars get airbourne, real fun to drive

Mills (motorsport park) is a great layout and fantastic eyecandy detail for a medium speed circuit. Well worth a look.

Metro is a fantasy track built out of some real roads (apparently) It has every type of corner you could enjoy with lots of elevation change, and in worth consideration for the sheer pleasure of driving such a demanding track.

After that I used up my D/L for the day from NG.
Whilst I know you are looking for mostly American tracks, one or two of these might be worth considering for specific Car Vs Car events.
Hope this adds some more into the mix that could be worth considering, if not no probs
cheers Mike

[SJ]RockyC

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2008, 01:41:46 am »
Wow, what a nice job Mike! I had intended on using at least 1 track from downunder and so far I had thought of Pukekohe. It is already on the server and I really like that track. I'll take a look at some of these for future use. I have driven Warwick Farm and it is nice and I think I have driven Lakeside. Will probably give those a closer look. Thanks!

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2008, 11:43:19 pm »
I'd love to have some events at those Aussie tracks.

[SJ]mixfloors

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2008, 04:44:32 am »
Well, still on hols and bored out of my skull so I thought I might D/L some more tracks and do some testing. All tracks mentioned are from No Grip and driven in a Cortina with default suspension settings, so lap times are not as quick as what can be done, just me doing 10 laps or so, and also allow for teh fact that others are faster than me.


Botnairing
(Finland) this little circuit has a 1.23 odd lap time. Nicely cambered corners and would be suitable for a smaller Car Vs Car format. Has a really nice mix of corners with a sweeper onto the S/F and a 90 degree T1 (good for passing). The track is wide enough and set in amongst trees all round so its a small D/L and should allow good FPS. Of note is that the flat format and compact layout lets you see other cars on other parts of the track, not just immediately infront or behind. A nice little immersion factor.

Gellerasen
(Sweeden) Is much the same on the graphics and immersion front as above. The 1:20 sec lap has 4 big stops, but 2 reasonable length and one long straight to go with them, and is a really nice track to drive. The entry and exit to the S/F straight is similar to Zandvoort in layout and the slight undulations make for good delicate driving when the suspension loads/unloads. Even though its stop start, and compact it has a good flow with some nice constent radius corners. This could be a nice place for Detroit muscle to get up if tyres and brakes are managed well. Could be good for Tc65

Hidden Valley
(Australia) Is located just outside Darwin in the Northern Terretory. Principally a club circuit built onto either end of a drag strip its facilities were upgraded about 7-10 years ago to host a round of the Supercar championship, which it has done ever since. As stated before it has a looooong wide front straight, followed by a nice 180 degree left and then some flatout left rights which run half the length of the straight, from there this circuit can punish curb hoppers, so precise driving is necessary for a quick lap which is under 1:25's. What the falcons and Mustangs loose in the twistier stuff they should more than make up for down the drag strip. Another good TC 65 option.

Kinnekulle Ring
(Sweeden) This 1:05 sec circuit never stops turning, even the S/F straight is kinked and you go from one corner to the next. Really testing and all the corners are similar in speed and some elevation changes make the car go lite over crests into corners and imminent disaster without constant vigilence. This track will flog tyres over any sort of distance and offers little opportunity to pass and would only be good for a one make or Car Vs Car style event IMO

Sandown
(Australia) Like Warwick Farm, is made around the outside of a horse racing circuit and was the home of the Sandown 500, the warm up to Bathurst for almost 30 years. This circuit has two long straights with a set of  most challenging corners in at the end of the back one. The pits used to be located where the tarmac is now between T1 and 2 but updated in the mid 80's to where they are now along with a twisty infield section to bring it up to the minimum FIA length to host a round of the world sportscar endurence championship in 85 and 89 (both of which I attended) This power circuit is another possible choise for TC65 as the long straights should balance out against better handling cars. And lap times are in the 1:28's for the cortina.

Teretonga
(New Zealand) This circuit reflects the real circuits of the day in Aus and NZ, being cash strapped and not wanting to make them shorter, they were made narrower to save money on tarmac lol. A very long straigt with a set of average corners to get you back there, this could be a good place but there are probably better choises, a nice track to drive on though, could be worth a look to mix it up if you so choose. Laps are in the 1:12's

Hope this helps you further with tracks that you may never have seen or heard of in the persuit of another great season of NASJ GTL
cheers
Mike



[SJ]RockyC

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2008, 04:58:49 am »
Wow again Mike! I thought it was a typo in the other post, but I guess not. We will be using the GTC65 cars for this season. I'm sure that GTC65 cars would work for these tracks. Also, about the tracks, the only one I have never heard of is Gellerasen. I have either driven or heard of the rest. :) If you really have a lot of time on your hands, how about testing some tracks others have posted as well as my ideas. I'll PM ya.
Thanks Mike!   :hats off:

[SJ]RockyC

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2009, 10:25:52 pm »
What do you guys think, a limit of 3 drivers per car for the GTC65 races? That would allow 36 drivers if we take out the GT40. There was a total of 30 drivers that took part in the last season. So, I think 3 per car would be good. :)

[SJ]Smak DeWahl

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2009, 11:56:37 pm »
Sounds good to me! thumbs up

[SJ]Peter Enqvist

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2009, 12:45:02 am »
3 per car is probably good.  36 drivers... so obviously we're not using the Aston and the Ferrari 250.  I would guess not too many (or no one) will want the Elite (and maybe not the GT350 either) so even without those 2 we would still be at 30.  Sounds ok to me.

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2009, 08:59:30 pm »
so obviously we're not using the Aston and the Ferrari 250. 

Correct, we will only be using the default GTC65 cars for the 5 single races.
And good point about the Elite and GT350. So, maybe 4 per car. I'll do more testing today.

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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2009, 04:04:38 am »
Hey Rocky,

  Could you please post the tracks for GTC 65 races. I am perplexed over car choice.  :innocent:


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Re: Season 7 is around the calender
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2009, 05:11:20 am »
Hey Rocky,

  Could you please post the tracks for GTC 65 races. I am perplexed over car choice.  :innocent:


I am almost to the point of releasing the complete schedule, like later tonight or tomorrow night. Still need to select a track for one of the GTC65 races. I will also post the GTC65 car selection thread after I put up the schedule. And you have some time to select your car. The season should start on the 24th. :)