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[SJ]Jett

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Hosted Racing
« on: August 18, 2009, 08:41:28 pm »
The following was posted at iRacing by John Henry. I am posting it for those who maybe interested in this idea and for those who said it was because they couldn't run with SJ friends that kept them from joining. Nothing here to start an argument or fight..its just information.

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I had some give and take with iRacing today to find out what they're working on with what has been called "Private Leagues" and most recently "Hosted Racing."

Here's the scoop. And we're interested in what you think knowing that people disagree all over the place when it comes to most subjects - especially this one. Building consensus is more difficult in sim racing than in American politics.

Caveat: this is just a discussion and what the current thinking is. Development issues will dictate a number of the final features of Organized iRacing and the first season will be different than following seasons. Nothing set in stone here presently.


As we've repeated repeatedly, we are not going to do anything to harm the existing service. We have a couple of things in mind to protect the Official Races of iRacing. However, we want people to be able to do what they want to do here. Therefore it is imperative to try to give the people who want Organized iRacing a strong, broad menu of options.

The plan currently is to implement a service called Organized iRacing. These are unofficial races that do not count in iRacing outside of the Organization you choose to race in.

First, we are considering charging each member who wants to organize races & leagues $9 per season. This will ensure that iRacing is not overrun by organizers who aren't serious about what they are doing.

A member can become an Organizer by purchasing an iRacing Organization ("Org" for short) prior to a season for $9 (an annual iRacing Organizer can purchase an annual iRacing Org for $25). Organizers can purchase as many Orgs as they want.

An iRacing Org is essentially a "league" that can be passworded or not. It is a "hosting" service run by an iRacing Organizer. The Organizer sets his schedule, track, car(s), race length, yellows or no yellows, SR min/max, iRating min/max, set ups (fixed or not). The Organizer can make his races Open (no password) or Closed (password only).

There is no cost for any member who wants to join an Org. The only charge is the $9 per season to become an iRacing Organizer and the Organizer also pays $1 for every race he schedules. This should serve to limit Orgs to Organizers - members who are serious about their Organization(s).

[Note: an Organizer is going to be free to charge anyone anything they want outside of iRacing. So if an Organizer who is popular and good at running an Org puts together an Org and finds 30 people who will pay or contribute $1 per month or whatever he wants to charge them to be a participant in his Org -- that is not our business. We can't be responsible for transactions members may make between themselves.]

An Organizer can create a website for their Org, but iRacing - as part of the Org service - will provide a dedicated Org page including all results and stats for that Org. The dedicated page service will probably not be available until season after next.

The second thing we are going to do to ensure continued participation in our official series is the iRacing Participation Plan. The Participation Plan should increase participation in official races of iRacing because we intend to offer iRacing Credits to members who participate in at least 8 Race Weeks in a particular official iRacing series.

A member who participates in at least 8 Race Weeks in a particular official series (ORGS ARE UNOFFICIAL) next season receives a $7.50 iRacing Credit after the season ends. If a member accomplishes this in two separate series during a season, such member will receive a $15 iRacing Credit after the season ends. $15 is the maximum Credit a member may obtain through this Participation Plan in any season.

If a member takes full advantage of the Participation Plan, he will save an additional $60 per year. Right now an annual subscription is $156. Therefore, the annual cost could become as low as $96. That essentially reduces the cost from $13 per month to $8 per month! But you have to participate in official iRacing series as explained above. The Participation Plan will be evaluated each season.

I doubt the official series will die off with these significant two plans in place to both protect the official series and to increase everyone's ability to get what they want out of iRacing.

So, once again, none of this has been announced by iRacing. But this is what is being discussed currently. You're all so passionate about what is happening here at iRacing - about what you like and don't like - about what you want to see and don't want to see -- well, you should be part of the discussion process.




[SJ]Nodnerb

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Re: Hosted Racing
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 08:47:38 pm »
Thanks for posting it up :)  and it is good to know that they are working on things that the community wants :)

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Hosted Racing
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2009, 03:22:27 am »
Nice one m8.. Still only a discussion though.. I think J.Henry might make a mistake presenting it for iR community before its even officially announced.. they have a strong habit of gunning this sort of things down without any reasoning getting into their heads..

[SJ]Jett

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Re: Hosted Racing
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2009, 05:59:34 am »
John Henry has posted the iRacing proposal to this idea of hosted races. Seems like iRacing is going to help as much as possible for letting private leagues run.  Again..just an fyi.

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Here's what iRacing suggested today as simpler, more convenient way to accomplish the same things as Organized iRacing.

Hosted iRacing:

Basically, any member at any time can "Host” (an admin, an organizer or anyone) a Practice/Qualify/Race (PQR) Session anytime they want for $3.65. If a league or group ran each Race Week -- 48 races a year x $3.65 that would work out to be $175 per year without the extra $1 per race charge.

Anyone joining the Hosted race joins for free.

The Host selects session options on a web page (we haven’t finalized what those will be—probably have to do a simpler set first, add more options later), but will certainly include session name (so people can find it), password (can be blank, i.e. none), car, track, fixed setup ability, practice length, race length, qualify length/type, yellows on/off, rolling/standing start, SR min/max, iRating min/max. Not all of these options might be ready by the start of next season.

The PQR session will start moments after it is purchased—if someone were using this to run a league, he/she would buy the session just before the league race time. It would have been announced in the Hosted iRacing Forum or on their website.

This allows a group who are practicing or chatting to organize a race at any time and get a race going right away with people who are sitting around or waiting. And any Organizer can essentially have what we were talking about earlier without $175 up front.

$3.65 per race should keep people who aren't serious or who aren't going to have enough people to race from scheduling a PQR session. $3.65 should be enough to limit Hosted iRacing.

The hosted sessions would all be exactly alike in format: an open practice period, then a qualify period, followed by a race -- PQR. The races would be gridded by qualifying time, then iRating (if no time is recorded for a driver). Not sure how the session standings will end up being recorded with 3 sub-sessions (maybe 3 results links).

With an open practice period at the start people can join and start driving immediately. The Host could effectively create a practice only session by just making the qualify and race portions zero length.

Thoughts?


Marcus

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Re: Hosted Racing
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2009, 03:13:27 am »
Now we're talking!

[SJ]Jett

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Re: Hosted Racing
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2009, 10:09:38 pm »
I had sent PM's to a few SJ's still running iRacing and found they don't participate much in other sims any longer. I know that the lack of League racing was a deterrent for some against iRacing. That however is no longer going to be true. 

Posted today by John Henry co-founder of iRacing.com

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There has been a lot of discussion regarding customized iRacing coming to iRacing. What we have called organized iRacing probably needs a better nomenclature that easily encompasses all aspects of this additional service.

We've listened and we intend to try to accommodate people who are interested in racing options, customizing for leagues and for a race at any particular time in any car on any track.

It's probably simplest to call all of this "Hosted iRacing."

A league administrator would be a "Series Host" or "Series Organizer." He or she will be able to purchase a 60-PQR (Practice/Qual/Race) package for $150. Each one begins with a Practice session (unless Practice is set to zero) -- followed the Qualifying session (unless Qual is set to zero) -- followed by the Race session --- PQR. 60 is enough for 52 weeks plus 8 extra PQRs. Essentially $2.50 per PQR.

They will set the time, password (if any), car, track, type of race, minimum SR, min/max iRating, length of race, yellows or not, fixed setup ability, rolling/standing start etc. The races would be gridded by qualifying time, then iRating (if no time is recorded for a driver). There will be easily accessible links with results for the 3 sessions (Practice, Qual, Race)

Also any member can "Host" a PQR anytime they want by purchasing individual PQRs at $3.00 each. Anyone within a Club or chatting in a practice session, can at any time, create a PQR.

The PQR session will start moments after it is initiated and run for a prescribed period set by the Host - long enough to include x minutes of practice, x minutes of qualify and x laps of racing. In running a league, he/she would initiate the PQR perhaps a half hour before the league race time and have at least half an hour of practice.

While the costs are less than we have been discussing of late, they are enough to keep people who aren't serious or who aren't going to have enough members to race from continually scheduling PQR sessions.

There is no cost to members who join these sessions.

There are over 1000 race sim leagues and/or associations out there internationally. This new feature will certainly increase membership and will lead to much larger fields for our official series.

---Postscript

Discounted bundling (60-PQR packages) will not be available next season. So PQRs will be a flat $3 each.


[SJ]Nodnerb

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Re: Hosted Racing
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2009, 01:14:43 am »
Any talk on timings for this to be delivered yet??

[SJ]Gooseman

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Re: Hosted Racing
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 01:20:22 am »
Hopefully the next new build, which would be the end of October.

[SJ]Cato Larsen

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Re: Hosted Racing
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2009, 06:19:41 am »
Now this would be something to look into here at SJ when we have our new server set up and have our costs down to a minimum.

Then we could buy PQR enough for 10 race league and test the lay of the land.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Hosted Racing
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2009, 07:36:47 am »
I can purchase and set up a league.

[SJ]Cato Larsen

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Re: Hosted Racing
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2009, 08:19:16 am »
I can purchase and set up a league.


I am sure many would love that. I will prob not have time right now to get in on a new league but I could try if things go that way.
I wanna race against NoGrip if it lands on sundays though.