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[SJ]Nailz

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Windows Vista, A Review.
« on: March 25, 2007, 12:19:31 pm »
Windows VISTA

A Review

By SJ_niall_UK



I was sceptical regarding VISTA, with the usual questions being foremost in my mind, will i be able to run my games? Will there be a performance hit? Will i need to upgrade my rig?

I'll start of with the OS as a whole, it took about an hour to install, with no problems whatso-ever, and a nice new colour GUI to help you install it, instead of XP's old blue one, I was setting my system up as dual-boot XP & VISTA, and i had no problems partitioning my HD with this, it was very intuitive, just needing mouse clicks. The next stage of the installation was for it to gather information, in other words, enter your product code! Now this is important, in the case of the version i have all the different versions are on the same disc that is;

Home Basic,
Home Premium,
Business,
Enterprise,
Ultimate.

The product key you enter here decides which version of the OS gets installed. I have Home Premium, which includes the spangly new aero interface (more on that later), i also have the 32 bit version. Once my key was entered the install kicked off, and I pretty much left it to its own devices.

Before long it was prompting me for my name, and for a computer name, i duly entered these, and then it performed a system speed check, this is one of the more usefull VISTA features, it judges your rigs performance based on HD speed, Processor Speed, RAM and graphics card, my machine scored a 3.2, this is an all important number, as when new games come out they will have a number on the back of the box, if your number is higher or equal, your in business. One of the new security features in VISTA is that it wont install anything, unless you O.k it, the system throws a pop-up window up asking for permission, so no more backdoor porn-diallers (i hope). Vista is also running with a smaller RAM overhead than XP (on my sytem at least), it is also loading quicker than XP.

The OS is very pretty, animated everything, shadowed everything, smooth everything! VISTA Home Premium includes the, much hyped, aero interface, beware as Home Basic does not, there are some neat features of this, such as when you hover the mouse over the task bar it provides a thumbnail of the open application, and ther are transparency effects too, the actual, 3D elements though, i dont find to useful, normally if I have more than 3 windows open i'll minimise the ones that are not in immediate use, so then the stacking effect is not really too good, and lets be honest, it does not provide any usefullness or functionality.

With regards to hardware, VISTA recognised it all, install correct drivers for my soundcard and graphics card, the only thing it struggled with is my USB to ETHERNET dongle, (which i need after lightning fried my onboard LAN), however i installed the XP drivers with no complaint from VISTA, and it works perfectly, this is pretty much the case with all my old software too, MS Office 2003, Mozilla Firefox, Adobe Acrobat & Photoshop all installed and run with no problems (aprt from me remembering how to apply the cracks!). Itunes installed easily, and i think it catalouged my music collection quicker under VISTA, this may be something to do with the new search architecture of VISTA. The only program that is not working so far is NERO, which is a pain, and as i type i haven't found a work arround yet. Searching for files under XP was a long process, with you sitting looking at that pointless little dog, however VISTA is practically lightning in this department, which negates the need to explore the start menu, as soon as you click on the flag (used to be start), you can type what you want, and it pings up very quickly, files, folders and programs.

At the present moment i have 2 games installed, Age Of Empires III and StarWars Battlefront, both of these run perfectly, with no obvoius loss of performance, I would even go so far as to say that AOE-III is running better, my only niggle was that when installing AOE-III the OS asked me do i trust microsoft! Battlefront is exactly the same on VISTA to XP, and according to fraps the framerate has dropped by 3 to 48, I can accept that! I do not have a DX10 graphics card, and as they are nearly the price of a PS3, I dont think i will for a while, however soon enough all games will be made to use the new standard, and VISTA will be the only OS to support it, this is a reason to upgrade, but not yet, as games currently under development for DX10 such as CRYSIS, will be backwards compatible with DX9.

I then came to setting up my internet connection, i have a cable modem, and with XP i had to run the "Setup a Home or Small Office" thingy, the select my internet connection on the list, some of you are probably aware of this procedure, however with VISTA I connected my modem, booted the OS, found the connect to internet feature only to be informed i was allready connected, hopefully this ease will carry on with future upgrades/installs.

The Betas have been out so long for VISTA that i don't think there will be a service pack for along time, the official release is in very fine tuned all-ready, so for my final conclusion, I would recomend VISTA to the more experienced/adventurous current XPer's, as any problems they encounter shouldn't be too hard to solve. But would say whole-heartedly if you havent used a PC before, or if you are buying/advising a new computer user to get VISTA.

With Dual and Quad core processors, DX10 graphics cards, Terrabyte HD's and superfast internet, the future is undoutably VISTA.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2007, 02:34:39 pm »
Ive been wanting a review section (for software and games) in the forums, because i myself would like to write few.. but theres so much in the forums and im always crying for new sections that i really haveny got to it...
but maybe add a "sofware and games" etc. section to technical support, (which could be renamed to "technical support and discussion" maybe?) dunno theres tooooooo much going on in the forum already!  o:

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2007, 05:01:12 pm »
Very interesting read Niall. I was adamant that I was going to continue with XP for my next PC... I'm not so sure now.

[SJ]Sh1te R1der

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2007, 05:40:35 pm »
it's the 64bit system i'm interested in... will it be necessary to have dual boot etc; will 32 bit apps run without issue on 64 bit system... probably gonna hold out for a while.

[SJ]Swordy

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 04:30:16 pm »
What have I gone and done :(


Only blinking gone and bought Vista Ultimate o:
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[SJ]Nailz

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2007, 04:51:36 pm »
i have ultimate too swords mate, microsoft are going to have too, and will, do something about the difference between home premium and ultimate, which at the moment is dreamscene desktop, and a texas hold 'em game...

bought Vista Ultimate


bought? thats a mugs game!!!

[SJ]Swordy

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2007, 04:56:58 pm »
To add to that.......I think my PC will run it......Get it on there??? :innocent:

I have Two drives.....Main C is 40Gig

Big Mother is 200Gig.

The problem is, it's Upgrade, but I want to keep XP....As it works.

Any ways around it?


If I had a Spare empty drive I wouldn't be too fussed. But I have 160Gigs taken up on my 200 :think:

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2007, 05:34:21 pm »
it's the 64bit system i'm interested in... will it be necessary to have dual boot etc; will 32 bit apps run without issue on 64 bit system... probably gonna hold out for a while.


Well, I have the 64bit version (Home Premium) and can't say I'm very happy with it... However most 32bits apps will run fine, so that's not the issue in fact... the big problem are decent drivers. 10 months after the release of Vista there is still no working Logitech G25 driver which made me very mad a few times  :grrr:

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Vista is also running with a smaller RAM overhead than XP (on my sytem at least), it is also loading quicker than XP.


When the system is just booted I already have 900+ mb of ram in use with Vista and it's a known fact that the overhead is a lot greater with Vista, even with the hotfix installed:

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there is a massive difference in usage between XP and Vista at all points


http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3044&p=1
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3060&p=2

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Before long it was prompting me for my name, and for a computer name, i duly entered these, and then it performed a system speed check, this is one of the more usefull VISTA features, it judges your rigs performance based on HD speed, Processor Speed, RAM and graphics card, my machine scored a 3.2, this is an all important number, as when new games come out they will have a number on the back of the box, if your number is higher or equal, your in business.


The number it gives is more an indication how fine your system can run Vista (hence Windows Experience Index) and not really how good it can handle the latest games. Also, some scores really don't reflect the actual performance, ther is no difference between 2GB of ram and 2GB of overclocked low latency ram for example.

I pretty much can agree with the conclusions of this article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/04/19/vista_benchmarking_or_benchmarketing/index.html

[SJ]Sh1te R1der

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2007, 05:39:21 pm »
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Well, I have the 64bit version (Home Premium) and can't say I'm very happy with it... However most 32bits apps will run fine, so that's not the issue in fact... the big problem are decent drivers. 10 months after the release of Vista there is still no working Logitech G25 driver which made me very mad a few times


Gonna wait then... thanks Christof

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2007, 06:01:55 pm »
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Well, I have the 64bit version (Home Premium) and can't say I'm very happy with it... However most 32bits apps will run fine, so that's not the issue in fact... the big problem are decent drivers. 10 months after the release of Vista there is still no working Logitech G25 driver which made me very mad a few times


Gonna wait then... thanks Christof


Well, right now I just boot up Vista once every week or so... I'm really waiting until those lazy bastard at Logitech will release a decent G25 driver :grrr:
But with other programs and drivers I have no problems (anymore) so far, (most) 32 or 64bit programs run both just fine.

[SJ]Swordy

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2007, 07:05:27 pm »
This reply is done through Vista.....And I've still got XP on rotfl Looks nice and I'm currently D/Ling 80MB of updates.


My Specs....Nothing special

AMD 2600+ @2.09Ghz
1Gig RAM     1x512MB  2x256MB
7800 GS nVidia GFX
Creative X-Fi Platinum

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2007, 09:55:42 pm »
I've been running dual boot XP and Vista (Home premium 32bit legit) for about six months now and can't remember the last time I booted into XP.

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2007, 11:43:31 pm »
Well heres couple interesting "opinions" lol

[youtube=425,350]M0sy2i5FMcI[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]uNZVbIJ1Erk[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]AQll4b_OPGo[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]uDiaQrZviyc[/youtube]

EDIT:I must say after watching the vid on the top... Im now 100% convinced that i have absolutely no reason to go for vista until im simply forced to it..
« Last Edit: October 09, 2007, 12:08:30 am by [SJ]Drunken_Predator »

[SJ]Nailz

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2007, 11:35:11 am »
The video at the top is a slangdown jarrko, the only thing i've had that was not compatible was nero burning rom, for about a week, 'till i found the update...

obviously created by someone with a chip on his shoulder who has seen his arse with microsoft (havent we all!), maybe even a apple user having a laugh...

« Last Edit: October 09, 2007, 11:41:02 am by [SJ]niall_UK »

[SJ]Nailz

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2007, 11:44:53 am »
in fact do any of those vids have a decent reason for vista being shit? one is just the microsoft sam voice swearing, because it doesnt like the name...


at the end of the day, everyone can use the OS they want to. But that doesnt mean that an OS you don't use is shit.

that said the fouth video, the mac advert, is funny, and oh so true, by the way, I turned it off!!!

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2007, 11:56:39 am »
I've actually met the bloke from Vid1 several times (not watched the others) ... I met him in the pub, leaning against the bar gobbing off about how stupid the management at his workplace was... it was clear that only he had the intelligence to really understand the intracacies of international trade.

I met him driving taxis where he insisted on telling me exactly what was wrong with the UK immigration policy.... it's amazing the access that cabbies have to all the issues and problems regarding running any business, let alone GB.UK

I'm all for well balanced argument... but the chap in the vid is clear evidence of 'a little knowledge is a bad thing' .. that he should screw up his OS with such tinkering that even Firefox won't run... tosser in my opinion.

[SJ]Nailz

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2007, 12:22:02 pm »
I would hasten to guess that these vids were added to uTube a while ago too, as even on the  hacking/cracking websites, vista is being accepted now...

I bet you he's the kind of bloke with an 8 DVD duplicator hooked up to his machine, who was worried about the stories of advanced unbreakable DRM...

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2007, 12:46:11 pm »
The video at the top is a slangdown jarrko, the only thing i've had that was not compatible was nero burning rom, for about a week, 'till i found the update...

obviously created by someone with a chip on his shoulder who has seen his arse with microsoft (havent we all!), maybe even a apple user having a laugh...




To me the most important thing is performance, even my windows xp looks like older windows.. and vista has crapload of "visual" stuff, unnecessary "gadgets" i dont want or need.. so yes.. if it would really GIVE me something i really need i might reconsider, but obviously i havent seen a one single feature that would make me desire getting Vista.

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2007, 01:34:37 pm »
vista works better with the new directx10 games?

isnt that the main selling point?

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2007, 01:42:07 pm »
vista works better with the new directx10 games?

isnt that the main selling point?


Nah i think thats one of the ways they try to force it on us lol

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2007, 02:03:30 pm »
Ya, imo it's a pretty nasty marketing move to make DX10 for Vista alone. I do not believe that it's impossible, or even hard, to make DX10 run under windows XP. That's just crap. On top of that an OS should be as small and efficient as possible. Taking up a little resources as possible. About the opposite of what Vista does. I don't really understand how Niall could say that VISTA has less memory overhead than XP does. Where'd you get that? XP uses about 180MB standard. VISTA uses over 400!

And all the versions! How can you charge that much money for an operating system and expect people not to pirate it! I heard in windows vista home (basic?) you can only burn cd's at 4 speed! It's limited! You need a more expensive version of the OS first!!  rotfl

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2007, 03:54:20 pm »
I don't really understand how Niall could say that VISTA has less memory overhead than XP does. Where'd you get that? XP uses about 180MB standard. VISTA uses over 400!


ive only got 512mb ram, and my memory runs at about 45-60% used, clearly not 400MB... maybe its because the pagefile system is better?

I do not believe that it's impossible, or even hard, to make DX10 run under windows XP.


DX10 is linked far more into the kernel of the OS, it will only work with the vista kernel. It is completely different in how it works to DX9, that is one of the main reasons for the change in GPU architecture/structure...

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2008, 05:08:42 pm »
Personally I've been running Vista Home Premium now for a couple of months and tbh, it does the job! All my previous games that I used to run with XP all still run. The only slight hiccup was with GT Legends, Vista told me that my starforce drivers were not compatible and prompted me to update them with a link to the starforce site. Once updated I've not had an issue.
Although more processes are running than XP (22/25) after bootup sat on the desktop, with Vista now after a bit of a fiddle I have around (38/40) processes, compared with around 60/65 on a clean install. IMHO... Vista is the future and is aimed at the noob, someone who dosen't know much about drivers, updates and patches.


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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2008, 05:19:44 pm »
Im close to testing it out.. but i dont know.. Vista (well almost that) in finland is a thing we use in sauna to beat the shit out of ourselves, they say its relaxing.. i say it hurts like hell. So not the best name for a OS, especially if its as problematic as Evil Bills previous products.

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Re: Windows Vista, A Review.
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2008, 06:01:43 pm »
I too have installed Vista with dual boot for XP. Vista is a neat OS is about as best as I can put it. It does have some problems that I have come accross.

Logitech does have a driver for the G25 which works just fine for me, I can see no difference between it and the software included with the wheel.

I too had an issue with Starforce for GTL, I was prompted to install the Vista recommended starforce drivers which allows the game to flash up once but if I close the game I need to restart my system to play it a second time, I think that is an issue with my DVD drive more so than anything.

NR2003 does not run correctly no matter how I set it up permission wise or priveldge wise, thank the lord I dual booted with XP as the same install runs fine from there.

I haven't seem to run into the problems with Nero but I am running Ver. 8.

I am a SplinterCell fan and have all 4 games aside from the new recent release (planning to have in my hands soon).

Games 1, 2 and 4 run without issue on Vista however 3 (Caos Therory) doesn't run what so ever, I swear it laughs while I try to get it going. It runs in XP.

Windows Experience rating is 5.0 and I have the Business installation. Looking at Ultimate though.

All though I have run into some problems with Vista I have to say I like it but as noted some games just turn there nose to it so if anyone is planning to change to Vista I suggest a dual boot for awhile before moving totally to Vista.