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[SJ]HeatCAN

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F1 Series
« on: November 05, 2008, 06:19:00 pm »
Don't know if this is the right place to post this but....

  :?: Are any of you fast cats interested in getting a GTR2 F1 league going or maybe an informal calendar of events?

I recently raced in a GTR2 league with the 2007 cars and it was awesome.  And now the 2008 cars are out there as well.

I am in the mountain time zone (u.s.), so obviously if we were to race on weekdays, I would like to be able to join after work.  Of course, a weekend time could be set so that you speed demons from across the pond could join in the open wheel melee as well.   :twit:

I think it would be great fun!   :yep:

[SJ]Gooseman

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2008, 06:30:29 pm »
We'll probably never see a F1 GTR2 league here as all of the currently released mods are (hate to use this word as it is overused) illegal. 2007 is an illegal conversion of ctdp2005 and the 2008 is a conversion of an illegal mod.

[SJ]HeatCAN

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2008, 08:06:11 pm »
Oh no.   :jawdrop:  Should I delete these mods from my computer in order to be legal?  I never knew that these were stolen.  I just thought some clever bit wrangler had done a superb job of creating some cool addon cars for GTR2.

Sorry about the suggestion.   :sorry:

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2008, 08:10:51 pm »
Yup, our policy is to not to use illegal conversions.. and with mods like this its pretty a clear case.

[SJ]Vector

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2008, 06:57:18 pm »
is there a list of legal mods?

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2008, 07:01:10 pm »
is there a list of legal mods?


 :nope:

[SJ]TomWulf

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2009, 01:16:05 pm »
what makes a mod illegal then ?

Not so long into simracing myself but started to read into that a bit and that whole topic is a bit confusing.

It seems like some mods are deemed illegal because someone converted it from game a to game b without the permission of the mod creator.

But then whom did those Mod creators ask in the first place. I doubt it e.g. that the legal CDTP2005 mod creator asked the FIA permission to create those liveries e.g., so according to my logic it "should" be illegal from the beginning.

Same with P&G, did anyone ask Graham Hill or Sterling Moss for permissions to create that mod and use their cars ?

I don't want to point any fingers, I am merely really confused of the legal situation tbh and would like to know how that works.  :?:

[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2009, 01:39:52 pm »
Its a tough issue, and the thing is it has been discussed to oblivion few times.. Its very hard to draw the line, and atm we review things one by one as they come.

[SJ]Tysmyster

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2009, 03:53:00 pm »
Hey Heatcan,

did you see this though? Clickety

I guess since the Time Trials doesn't require anyone to run a server with an illegal mod there is no problem.

[SJ]nissan man

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2009, 05:12:04 pm »
Wahoo, i'm not the only one who like to stick my hands in the bee hive lol

what makes a mod illegal then ?

Not so long into simracing myself but started to read into that a bit and that whole topic is a bit confusing.

It seems like some mods are deemed illegal because someone converted it from game a to game b without the permission of the mod creator.

But then whom did those Mod creators ask in the first place. I doubt it e.g. that the legal CDTP2005 mod creator asked the FIA permission to create those liveries e.g., so according to my logic it "should" be illegal from the beginning.

Same with P&G, did anyone ask Graham Hill or Sterling Moss for permissions to create that mod and use their cars ?

I don't want to point any fingers, I am merely really confused of the legal situation tbh and would like to know how that works.  :?:


Let me explain the sim racing lingo. an illegal mod is a mod that has been converted from one platform to another platform without the original authors permission. This is also true is one misrepresents the work of another as his own work. does this sound familiar from writing term papers?

the correct term for this is plagiarism, but because that is a difficult word to spell we use the term illegal (at least i assume thats the case  :)) although you are correct in stating that it is illegal to infringe on others copywrite, what we find in practice is that most do not mind as long as no profit is made. there have been very few cases otherwise (british touring cars and A1 GP to name the only 2 i know of). Many more (upon finding out about a mod of their series or track in progress) have not only allowed it to continue, but have gone out of their way to assist the mod makers, including access to data and cars. They see the potential of free publicity for their series or track as a positive.

as to the use of cars in a mod and paint jobs, usually the copywrite holder is the sanctioning body or manufacturer and not the owner of the car, therefore the owners of the cars have no recourse.


[SJ]HeatCAN

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2009, 06:00:07 pm »
Good info...so why can't we do the F1 car mod for GTR2?

[SJ]TomWulf

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2009, 06:56:46 pm »
thanks for the info Nissanman, cleared it up a bit towards the direction I thought it would

[SJ]nissan man

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2009, 11:57:05 pm »
Good info...so why can't we do the F1 car mod for GTR2?


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an illegal mod is a mod that has been converted from one platform to another platform without the original authors permission. This is also true is one misrepresents the work of another as his own work. does this sound familiar from writing term papers?


SJ do not support ripped off work. thus none is used for official use. Thats the story and i'm sticking to it.

[SJ]HeatCAN

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Re: F1 Series
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2009, 12:07:31 am »
Thanks for the info, Nissan Man!!  Good enought for me :)
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