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[SJ]jason brown

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Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« on: August 17, 2009, 09:38:41 am »
Was thinking on getting a gtx295 in the next few months so started some reserch and looking around when i came across this about the new gt300 arcitecture . do you think its worth waiting for or should i just buy the ftx295?

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/4/22/nvidias-gt300-specifications-revealed---its-a-cgpu!.aspx


[SJ]Jarkko Rantajoki

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 10:36:24 am »
Depends what you are upgrading from.. when the new one is released then 295 no doubt will drop in price.. so id say wait anyway and see which one is the best option at that time.
This said with the new hardware released all the time, you could always be waiting for the next one.. best thing is just to go for something you fancy.

[SJ]WOBBLYONE

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2009, 11:13:30 am »
id personally save ya money and get the gtx285........thats what ive got and it is an awesome card........more than enough for race sims etc surely..........   :o

[SJ]jason brown

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2009, 11:47:38 am »
i got a gtx 280 at min but its my upgrade time of year as i do this every year . going to let mental nev have the gtx280 . just can`t deside if i should or should not wait that little bit longer

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2009, 11:48:29 am »
Like Jarkko said: you can always wait for the next one.

btw I would take 2 4890's in crossfire instead of a gtx295. It even costs less...

[SJ]jason brown

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2009, 12:06:53 pm »
i got a radeon hd4850 in my pc at work . its ok i just prefer intel and navidia now . I used to have amd and cross fire but on crysis it just wouldn`t handle it so i went built an intel machine with a 8800 gtx since then ive stuck with them .

[SJ]Erock

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2009, 04:33:40 pm »
id say wait if you already have a near top of the line card now wait and see what the new chips bring to the table ... what resolutions do you play at and what is the rest of your comp like?

[SJ]jason brown

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2009, 09:44:51 pm »
my comps a quad intel 2.83 wth 4 gig ddr 2 800mhz, gtx 280,24" samsung monitor,g23,g13,g19,g9,saitek x52pro . x-fi 5.1 soundcard , blueray player, edimmension 5.1 headset with mic , xbox wired controller,only thing letting it down is the main board its only a p35 neo. so going to replace that soon no matter what and i just ordered the h50 water cooler cos i think it running a bit warm

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2009, 09:55:50 pm »
lol, I hope you play other games then simrace games as you don't need such high end system for them.

You know I used to be a bit like you, always wanting something better. But the right question imo is: is the GTX 280 not sufficient for what you use your pc  :?: Sure a GTX 295 is better, but what benefit will it offer (and at what cost) :?: Just a few thoughts...

[SJ]WOBBLYONE

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2009, 10:34:12 pm »
id prob go for 2 4890 ati in crossfire,  as kristof said rather than a gtx295 for the price.........although i had heard that ATI werent to hot on their driver updates for the crossfire setups,  and they were causing a few issues.....dunno if this is true or not?

Also like Kristof says unless your playing real high end games graphically.......why would u need more that the 280gtx thats still a super card,  id spend the money on a new board instead 

[SJ]DenDanger

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2009, 10:43:19 pm »
 seems a decent review here.


 But i agree with Kristof. Not worth it when you already have a kickass card. I know my 260GTX rocks on FSX, TDU, and pretty much whatever I can throw at it.

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2009, 11:52:47 pm »
A more interesting review here as it contains the HD4890 CF and the newer spec GTX295 as well. Anyway I find both solutions to expensive, my advice is to buy the HD4890 or a GTX275 (whatever is cheapest, in Belgium it's the HD4890)


[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2009, 12:04:06 am »
Don't want to off topic this too much, because that's not allowed at Simjunkies, but I was wondering about people's thinking regarding DX11?
From what little I've read (and I'm well aware it could just be marketing hype to shift units) they claim that developers will be skipping dx10 and jumping from the 9.0c sdk directly to the 11 (easier to programme, more feature rich yada-yada).

I have no regrets about buying the 8800 when it was 'new gen', it's served me well and will have to keep serving me for the foreseeable, but if someone was willing to dish out ££££/$$$$ in the near future, would there be any sense in waiting a couple of months for the DX11 skus to come to market?

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2009, 12:32:52 am »
There are no DX11 graphics card out right now. ATI/AMD cards are DX10.1, which encorporates some DX11 features, while nVidia cards are 'only' DX10.
ATI/AMD have announced that their DX11 graphics card will be released when Windows7 is in the stores (Octobre 22), nVidia will probably release their first DX11 graphics card a few months later.

[SJ]Erock

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2009, 04:07:07 am »
most games are not even DX10 why get a DX 11 card? your fine with what you have now i say wait another 8 months or so and see about it then ... of course unless you are playing the latest games and want to run at like 80+ fps on high quality

[SJ]jason brown

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2009, 09:49:20 am »
i know my machine is half desent its just something i do every year. what i will do is wait till windows 7 and new dx11 cards are out then ill go on a spree and upgrade.apart from my gtx280 i promised nev everything else ill post up for who ever wants it.

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2009, 10:05:50 am »
Half decent  :?: I don't know whether any SJ member has anything better then your machine... ok maybe a few do lol
Perhaps the right time could be to wait until end Octobre, hopefully the first DX11 graphics card will be released then...

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2009, 10:42:36 am »
Been ummming and arrring over the GTX295 for a while now.

I play my games at 1920x1280 so hopefully i would benefit
i have a 8800 gtx 768 meg at the moment

I know the bigger card would speed up my photo precessing.

Is rFactor 2 going to be dx11 ?

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[SJ]jason brown

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2009, 11:10:30 am »
i just gave into the darksie and ordered a new 3 x sli xfx navidia motherboard and a 9800gt to run with the gtx 280. ive put my old motherboard up for grabs in the swaps section.might have some memory too when i finished messing.

Is rFactor 2 going to be dx11 ?
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i don`t know if r factor 2 will be dx 11 or not im affraid but some one might know.


[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2009, 05:40:49 pm »
I wouldn't think it impossible. The technologies are backwardly compatible and it would add a nice bit of marketing spice a la DiRT2

[SJ]Kristof Huyck

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2009, 05:52:15 pm »
DirectX 10 is not backward compatible in fact. For DirectX 11 you'll need Vista or Windows 7.

More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

[SJ]Pierre61

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2009, 07:37:43 pm »
I meant that games written with the capability to use DX11 will also run on DX10 or DX9c

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2009, 07:45:44 pm »
Other thing that has been playing on my mind is my motherboard being Abit IP35-Pro Intel P35 (Socket LGA775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard with PCI Express and not PCI Express 2......and as the new GFX gards are PCI E2.

Will i be loosing anything at the moment, i am told not a lot uses the speed/bandwidth of PCI E2 as yet...
The sales people tell me not.........but they would say that lol

[SJ]jason brown

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2009, 01:50:16 pm »
Will i be loosing anything at the moment, i am told not a lot uses the speed/bandwidth of PCI E2 as yet...
The sales people tell me not.........but they would say that lol


found this simple explination on yahoo answers site by Christopher .

PCIe x16 means it's a stadnard PCI Express card that has 16 lanes which it can transfer data to and from the motherboard. More lanes = faster speed.

PCIe v2.0 is a new (Jan 07) specification which basically allows for a theoretical increase in data bandwidth from 0.25 to 0.5GB/s. In straight forward terms though, PCIe 2 has not fully taken off yet, since even motherboards with a P35 chipset (VERY common these days) dont have full support for them.


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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2009, 04:37:29 pm »
Will i be loosing anything at the moment, i am told not a lot uses the speed/bandwidth of PCI E2 as yet...
The sales people tell me not.........but they would say that lol




found this simple explination on yahoo answers site by Christopher .

PCIe x16 means it's a stadnard PCI Express card that has 16 lanes which it can transfer data to and from the motherboard. More lanes = faster speed.

PCIe v2.0 is a new (Jan 07) specification which basically allows for a theoretical increase in data bandwidth from 0.25 to 0.5GB/s. In straight forward terms though, PCIe 2 has not fully taken off yet, since even motherboards with a P35 chipset (VERY common these days) dont have full support for them.




Cheers for that.

Still don't know what to do lol

[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2009, 08:11:07 am »
Jason any updates on the mobo, interesting that you are upgrading from a GTX260

i was also thinking about upgrading my 7950 GX2 and was thinking GTX260 (£110) maybe even SLI, but then thats another £100+ for a power supply. 


a very very good review test on various graphics cards (even test it on a sim) , Note link is to Sim FPS and % increase, use index to go to the start of review see link
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3517&p=12   

cheers

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[SJ]jason brown

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2009, 09:10:52 am »
i have a gtx 280 and ive desided to go with a xfx 780i motherboard with 2 x gtx 280`s on sli and a 9600gt xxx animal for my physics . for cooling a coolermaster v8 and all in a lain li or anatec 1200 case just can`t make my mind up on the case. nev is having a anatec case this week so going to see how it handles when ive sorted it for him . for some cheap xfx stuff try http://www.xfxshop.co.uk/products.asp?cat=preowned . i know there pre owned but most of the stuff is returns which are still sealed and new.
What is the rig your running now consit of and ill see if i got anything which might be of use to you kicking around...
you can also get a 700 watt true power supply which are good power supplys for less then £30(ill pm you proper price) well i know where to get you one from lol and i got one of them running my rig now and the new one i build will have the same power supply ..
My old motherboard just went to a kid called petch dave ,who will be trying to join simjunkies in the end of september when he gets his machine up and running.
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[SJ]hendrix

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2009, 09:25:01 am »
A good 700 watt supply for only £30... hmm are u sure ?

[SJ]jason brown

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2009, 10:02:44 am »
yes , there also one in nevs machine. nev watched me pull what bit of hair i have out when i couldn`t get his machine running the other week.

[SJ]hendrix

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2009, 03:51:53 pm »
2 X 280 in sli config   is the answer they will piss all over the 295gtx

as you already have one .. a lot cheaper than the 295gtx and better performance :)

[SJ]dirtyvfr

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2009, 04:40:01 pm »
if your cpu can hit over 3ghz, otherwise you'll be cpu bound. this would become evident after adding more powerfull graphics devices and only getting a small increase in FPS output at the same resolution.

as has been said by others in loads of posts, it's a balancing act of GPU / CPU and system.

 

[SJ]jason brown

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2009, 08:57:14 pm »
it going to be a few wees before i finish it now , think i got a second gtx280 for £100 on the way, the water cooler is out the window cos can`t get one so going for the collermaster v8 . ill test a few games when its done let you know what they are or if i blow it up in on first button press lol

[SJ]hendrix

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2009, 03:17:55 pm »
Jason I would be concerned using a £30 psu with all that lovely equipment. Im sure you know what your doing but .... just dont want your system to fail cause of a cheap power supply  :)

[SJ]jason brown

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Re: Wait for GTX300 or get a GTX295
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2009, 11:48:49 am »
if it fails ill get another. it should be fine thow . think ill get a couple of spares just in case  :fingers crossed: